Scott Williams - Videos and Transcript
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Scott’s Quote: ‘’Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed. It's the only thing that ever has.”
Scott’s Song: Into The Mystic
Is Chesney Hawkes too adorable to cover Van Morrison? Nah!
Normally we’d say watch him put this week’s song together on TikTok, but this week our social media is a bit messed up. I’m sure it’s nothing to do with our expert taking a well earned holiday. 🤦♀️ So instead I sneakily uploaded the video to our YouTube channel. It’s ‘unlisted’ so it’s only findable here:
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A Very Rough Transcript:
Ep6 Scott Williams
Chesney: That's another fine mess you got me into.
Lynn: This is the fluffing. This is fluffing,
Chesney: Neil. I love how you step over the line. Sometimes
Neil: Said the bird talking about taking a dump in the chip shop anyway,
Hello everybody. And welcome to this week's episode of Ferguson, Harrington Hawkes.
Lynn: I'm Ferguson,
Neil: I'm Harrington
Chesney: and I'm Hawkes.
Neil: Here we are. Again,
Chesney: that was a bit posh. Wasn't it? Should I do a bit more? Do it? I'm.
Neil: No, it doesn't become
Lynn: have you ever played a gangster Chesney?
Chesney: Uh, no. No.
Lynn: I think you'd make quite a good gangster.
You could be the nice gangster. You'd know the one who's nice. Yeah. And you go, he's nice. What's he doing? Being a gangster and then he stabs you and then smiles.
That could be you.
Chesney: Yeah, I could do it. I, I think it would be co-starring Ray Winston.
Lynn: Yay. Right. Yeah. Who is actually. Who has actually
Chesney: have you met him?
Lynn: Yes, I have properly nice bloke.
Chesney: Like I've heard lovely things about Ray and he is also a Westtown fan, which makes me very happy.
Lynn: Ah, there you go. Do you know, it's a, it's kind of a nice, might be a theme for this thing. Or maybe it's not. Do you have a quote for us?
Neil: Our quote today from our guest is by, uh, an American cultural anthropologist, Margaret Mead.
Oh, nice. And the quote is never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed. It's the only thing that ever. Mm.
Lynn: Ooh. Ooh, I like that.
Neil: So now our Margaret, our Marge, I tell you, she loved the quote. Did our Marge, did she? Oh my God. They're everywhere. It's one of them.
I mean, yeah. I can go to a page of about 45 of them right now. You'll be pleased to know. I won't
Chesney: and sorry. I lovely guest. We don't have time for you. Neil has 40 quotes for us to digest.
Neil: She loved the quote did Marge, and also she was so dedicated to anthropology that she got married three times. Oh. To someone that is very, uh, committed right to her to
Chesney: study of humans.
Lynn: If she wasn't committed then, and she would be after three marriages,
Neil: one lesson me actually that's one lesson than me. So, yeah. Fair play. Have you been four times?
Lynn: You've not been married four times.
Neil: Well, Karen is referred to as Mrs. Harrington, the fourth.
Chesney: Is that actually real? You actually have been married four times.
Neil: No, I married one and two and, uh, three, I didn't marry and Karen's number. Wow.
Lynn: Did you hear the shame in his voice there?
Neil: Tell did you hear it? You gotta look on the bright side. At least my mom's got a great hat collection. Okay. Yeah. Right. Every cloud
Chesney: who knew you were the Elizabeth Taylor of Ferguson Harrington Hawkes!
Lynn: Absolutely. And all well under the stairs, right?
Chesney: That's unbelievable. All that action
Neil: back to our Marge and her quotes. Right? No, it's, it's an interesting quote because it's, it's become a motto that many organizations and movements have adopted and some people even sign it off on their emails.
Lynn: What that quote,
Neil: yeah. Say,
Lynn: Say, say again for me and the listener. Me and the listener.
Chesney: And me.
Neil: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed. It's the only thing that ever has. Mm. Our Marge,
Lynn: know, that totally refers back to story too. Right? Like the, one of the things that we say in story is that, uh, stories there to prolong the species.
Right. Right. But you only that it's the passing over of information. And in fact, Mark talks about how, when people work together, That's how change happens. So like even when the wheel happened right. Where they were like, where's that wheel , but something that a Rollie thing. Yeah. Whoa. Then someone else would come along and go what's that?
And they go, well, I don't know what it's called. It's a, it's a thing. It's a Rollie thing. And they're whee, and it goes, yes, whee, right. And then they decided. How that happened it, right? Yeah. That's it. That's it that's happening
Chesney: exactly how that happened.
Neil: No, but I want, I wanna go back to that day. Ooh, there's a wheel.
We imagine that day, your mind would be blown. Look at it go! wheee!
Lynn: But I, I do think about that sometimes. Like when I was back in Scotland at one point and, and on the train. And I can't remember what was happening. I think it was quite a dark time. Um, family wise, like I think my, my mother was very sick or something like that.
And I was thinking about how, um, how dark the world can be and how lonely it can be. And I looked out and there was all these things that just said, absolutely no, it's not. Right. Yeah. And even down to the things like the, there was like sheep in a field, right. Mm-hmm and I'm like, oh, something looks after those.
And then somebody makes the food for the sheep. And then like the whole thing of, when you look at anything, you see the community behind it. And I'm like, and I'm sitting on a train and there must have been a guy that invented this train and then somebody else that drew it up and then a whole load of people who built it.
And then there's all the people who clean it and then like the guy who's gonna combine and do the ticket. Like actually, we, we do exist as communities. We are in communities, but sometimes I think. It's easy to feel lonely and isolated, but I like that quote, cuz you're like actually, no matter what you do, there's a whole team of people involved in the making.
Chesney: And everything. I kind of saw it as like protesting and things like that, where those are the things that make the difference. Yeah. You know, when people
Neil: get together and let me just chip in there a few chairs, and then you can carry on. So a description of it real change comes from the ground up, not the top down the public people outnumber the government representatives.
We send to do our bidding and if, and when something is considered important enough to fight for, we stand up, make ourselves heard and affect change. So. That's exactly how you saw it, wasn't it?
Chesney: Yeah, I guess so like, you know, the people, um, ground swell, you know, if it's, if it isn't for us, the people, we, the people, um, you know, we can make a difference, you know, if we get together and, and protest or whatever it is we need to do.
Um, I guess that's how I saw it.
Lynn: Have you ever been on a good protest?
Chesney: Um, I did. a little bit with the black lives matter protests through the pandemic, you know, cause Casey, my eldest was very, very kind of heated about that and wanted to be involved and wanted to go to these. So, uh, yeah, so I kind of a little bit there, but have you guys, have you been in, in the middle of anything come
Neil: round here, waving your plaque hard at me.
Lynn: tell you. Yeah. Have you ever been on any Neil?
No. No. Oh.
Neil: Did you get your sleeves rolled up? Did you get your gloves on?
Lynn: Yeah, I used to go to them. Well, because I do believe that the only way that you can, uh, say that you don't like something is by saying that you don't like something, you don't go.
Oh yeah, of course. No, I don't like that. I did, um, go down that's why's how you make a difference. Yeah. By saying that's not appropriate it's boundaries. I think that might be the thing, but you put down your boundaries, you go no boundaries, cross mm-hmm . I ha I have to say politically, I don't understand. I mean, I'm gonna get into trouble listener.
It's okay. I'm a national in politics. She's going politics, but, but I don't understand why, uh, people are not protesting more in the UK right now where it's evident that it's just like one guy going, I'll do out things how I want to and want me and all my pals for meeting. We all agree that I can do whatever I want.
And I've got lovely hair and you just shut up and don't put your heating on. And that's how things are.
Chesney: Did you see that fantastic protest? My favorite protest, I think I've ever seen of, uh, of all these guys got together with the Boris Johnson yeah. Heads and they're all having a party. Like it was just the party.
Yeah. Oh my goodness. But I agree.
Lynn: I fact, a lot of the way that I started, uh, when, uh, I left drama school, we, I did this, uh, double. And a whole load of the things that we did as a double out were like these kind of meetings of people. Like we did, um, things for CN D and, um, and, and we actually were part of the unions.
Chesney: gonna say unions. Yeah. Cause that's
what this is all about.
Lynn: Really about the poll tax. The, when the protest tax was coming in to be traveled Maggie down to yeah. Maggie with the days milk snatcher, right. There was a lot of
protests then. Yeah.
Chesney: Oh, they were, yeah. And the minor. Do you remember the minor protests?
Lynn: Yeah, I do. I definitely do. Yeah. Arthur Scargill. Yeah. But I also think that, um, in the modern terms, how you can see it as, um, like in the, just giving. Or even I was reading this morning. I don't know if it'll change things, but it's probably wrong to laugh at it. I'm sorry. Listener. I'm very controversial today.
The, uh, 2 million people have signed a petition that says Amber Heard must not be allowed to be an Aquaman 2. Wow. And I was like, man, goodness. So if we could get 2 million people to like protest about anything. That would be awesome. Right.
Chesney: But that ,
Lynn: well, again, the point of it, and I think what it says about people is that we relate to individual stories.
You know, we relate to the individuals. It's why Boris is getting away with so much shit, to be honest, where they go, oh, you know, he has partied and yes, he doesn't care that I can't go to my grandma's funeral, but he's, he doesn't mean. Yeah, exactly.
Chesney: He can't even do his hair. Yeah.
Look at me like what about you, Neil? What did you take the quote to me? Or were you too busy researching and writing letters to all your ex-wife
Chesney: and, and going through the 40 quotes that he'd yeah. Read,
Neil: read from its interesting how it's become a motto for many organizations and movements. That was the bit and I just sort of, it, it took me to looking into Margaret Mead.
Yeah. The way I interpreted it is, is exactly what this. Explanation is real change comes from the ground up, not the top
Chesney: down. It'd be interesting to see what our lovely guest says about, about the quote and why,
Neil: why he chose them quite a, a mark of our guest today. Isn't it really? I think
Lynn: I love him. He's one of the people that I met when I first came to the US and Los Angeles is an interesting place, please.
There are a quarter of people in LA and you may agree with me, Chesney. Yeah. Who would rather look pleasant, than be pleasant. They'd rather look helpful than be helpful. Oh gosh. Yeah. And actually this guy, he's just such a good guy. If he can help you, he will help you. Like even cuz I messaged him and said, good, can you do this thing?
And he's like, Really busy, but he was going okay, when do you need me? like just, he's a
properly good guy. Yeah.
Neil: I'll tell you what. Well, we'll check in with him after the break.
Scott Williams: Okay. More on that later. Cuz I have something to say about that.
Neil: I love a bit of editing. Yeah. Great. Okay. Here we go. Team. Is it possible to be successful and also be a nice guy? Some of you say no. I say yes. And if you want to argue about it, here's the proof 25 years working in TV as a writer producer, and now executive producer on one of the biggest shows in the world.
I am of course, talking about NCIS guys. Woohoo. I see it's Scott Williams on our podcast.
Lynn: Hey listener Scott. We've just been having an argument. Me and Scott about cuz I tell you he properly is a really nice guy and he's like going no, I'm not a nice guy. I've go talk to about that later. So I'm like throwing it at you.
Go Williams. Tell me that you're not a nice guy first,
Scott Williams: you know, the imposter syndrome kicked in. So when you asked me to do this podcast first, I thought it was gonna be above your garage and you know, in, in person, which I was like, I couldn't wait to see you again. Oh. Um, and, and, and so nice to meet the other two lads here, but.
No, but, but, um, I, I of course listened to the other podcast cuz I thought, you know, maybe this is, you know, am I smart enough? Am I good enough to like join this group? Gosh. And you know, a good 10 minutes into the first listen, I'm like, I can totally
I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And Doug on it, people like me is the, is the old, old Al Franken saying? I don't know, but um, remember. Absolutely. Yeah. But, uh, but no, I, I, I love that. Do this and, uh, it's, uh, I'm delighted to join you. So, so thanks. I'll try to be nice. I'll try to prove that introduction.
Lynn: you don't have to try.
What I want to talk about is that we asked you about the quotations, right? And the reason that we've asked people to give quote, uh, like quotes or sayings or Proverbs or whatever, is that, um, often when we are, we bring guests on, we talk about, or we have an idea of who they are through what they do.
But with, with the quotations, we get an idea of who they are by what they feel, what they live by and the quotation that we chose actually. And you gave us lots, which is very, you. It's very you. And I'll tell you why it's you don't you try talking. Do you think you're the guest or something?
Neil: yeah. You got no chance Scott.
Scott Williams: This is why Lynn loves me because I yield. I just, I
Chesney: back up, we all do Scott. We all do. We've learned.
Scott Williams: She loves, she loves yielders. Yes,
Lynn: I do. I definitely do. How do you think I got Mark? You just surrendered in the he's
Chesney: He just rolled over,
Scott Williams: right? it's like, okay, sorry. Lovely. You were saying,
Lynn: I thought it was very sort of symptomatic of you in a way or a good example and that you gave us lots of quotes.
And I think that's something about you, which is your generous. You gave us a lot of different ideas. You wanted things to work. And then, and the quote that we chose.
Neil: What was it? The quote that we chose, Scott was the Margaret Mead quote, actually. Oh, well, yeah. It was a good choice. So never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed. It's the only thing that ever has. Mm-hmm yeah. Why
Chesney: did you pick that quote?
Scott Williams: Well, you know, it was sort of a, a mission statement for us in a way, you know, we, uh, as Lynn knows our, our history, you know, we, um, as. Shitty little career was, was, was launching. I, I had, I had gotten to write some movies that nobody was making.
Um, But I've written some with some really good people. Um, I'd broken in with, with, uh, after 12 years of, of bartending and, and, and aspiring to write. I finally, you know, sold a project to Ray's company that never got made, which got me to Ron Howard's company. The movie never got made. And then my wife and I got married and had our first child in, in Shane.
Who was born profoundly disabled with this, um, disability called spinal muscular atrophy, which essentially left and paralyzed from about mid-face down. So, um, it was like, you know, the best day of our lives became the worst day of our lives and, and dealing with the shock, the doctors while before they had prescri diagnosed him with, with SMA.
So the best case scenario is you're gonna be raising him in a wheel chair. and my niece little Dorothy at the time was probably seven or eight. She said, well, what's the big deal. We'll just build ramps everywhere. Nice. Um, and, uh, it sort of struck a chord with us and, and in the, and in the process of figuring out a way to build ramps everywhere, basically to one ramp up my game, career wise, cuz I was gonna have to pay for this child's health and also retrofitting our house with ramps everywhere.
We also looked. The state of, of disability in this country and around the world. And there was a thing called Americans with disabilities act, which was wonderful. Um, it's the reason why you have, um, you know, uh, ramps at the, at your, at your corners on the streets and you have those big toilet stalls at the, at the airport.
Um, but in the area thing we discovered was in the area of playgrounds, what you had was a cement ramp, uh, leading to a sand moat or wood chips with play equipment. So we just, one thing we discovered was there'd be this glaring inequity in terms of raising a child with a disability. Now, sorry to say that.
Um, Shane, uh, only lived two weeks. We had take him off the, uh, the respirator at two weeks. He was weakening, but in the midst of our grief the year after was a bit of a, of a fog. Um, uh, oddly enough, I had said to my sister, who'd flown out here. I'd said to her and a buddy of mine. I said, man, I gotta, I gotta figure out a way to up my game career wise because.
As I said, I gotta pay for all this, um, this care that Shane will need. And, um, like a day or two later, my agent called and said, look, I know you're going through a terrible time, but don't ask me how, but Steven BKO at YPD blue, got a hold of your Ray Layota script and, and wants you to write television. So it was weird.
Like I sort of put out this, that I needed something in the universe and then this sort of showed up at this very strange time. And obviously I said, well, tell him, I don't know when I'll get to meet with him. And it was the, the last thing I was thinking about was, was what this would bring that way.
After losing Shane. We had gone through this whirlwind year where I was working my first year on a, on a television show and, and, um, and it was affording us a different lifestyle. It paid off a lot of debt. Um, But also we had Shane's empty bedroom and we had, uh, had my very, my, my, my grieving wife, both of us were grieving, but, you know, she had suffered a couple of miscarriages after that when we were trying to, to make up for our loss.
And then he decided about a year in to give her body and our mind's arrest. And we started this thing called Shane's inspiration, which was our, we made it our mission to build a playground, one playground in Los Angeles that would, um, Allow children with disabilities to play with able bodied kids. It wasn't about a park for disabled kids.
It was an actual, you know, a park where every kid could play. Nobody was left out, complete inclusion. Inclusion was the big, the big, uh, word. Um, I being something of a. Cynic um, was, was not sure. I said, well, we don't, you know, of course I would love to do this, but you know, we don't know anything about playgrounds and, and, and you know, what what's, how will we sell this?
Who will, well, one of the things, when you lose a child, everyone, you know, says, what can I do? What can I do? Right. And there's nothing that anyone can do to help in that situation. When you decide to build a playground in memory of your lost son, everybody shows up. So right. This small band of committed citizens showed up to affect change in the world or to help us affect change in the world, or at least affect change in Los Angeles at that time.
And, um, and it really, uh, we, we, I forgot what came first, whether we saw the cool first and the other followed or in the midst of building this. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't an easy sell there were definitely people on city council that were like, I never see kids with disabilities with playgrounds.
Is this really necessary? I'm like, well, no shit, cuz they get to go and watch other kids you play. It's no fun, you know? Yeah. So, um, you know, we had, we ran into some of those obstacles, people that were just a little older in, you know, a moral fashion in their thinking, but um, but you know, by and large it's.
Difficult thing for anyone to be against, you know, regardless of your political party or your faith or whatever. No, one's really against kids playing in a playground. So, um, very bipartisan, I would think yeah, very bipartisan. Yeah. So, you know, the Margaret Mead quote is actually, you know, we opened it, uh, it took us two years.
We got the city to donate the land. They donated a very large track of two acres that we then had to fill. We raised, you know, 2 million, some dollars, I think in that time and built the. You know, the playground, wheelchair, playable, and crutches, and every other disability, we put things in there. You know, we have, we have apparatus in there for, you know, kids with autism kids with down syndrome, blind, uh, you know, hearing impaired, um, there's braille features on the playground.
And, um, and that quote, you know, we, we put in bronze on a plaque and it sits on a rock in the, in the playground because is a way of just thanking the, the small band of committed citizens who did this. What we didn't anticipate was I, I was like, yeah, we built a playground. We're done, you know, everything but no, but then we had a, we had a family from E um, west LA that said, gee, our son, Aiden loves this place.
Um, it's the only place where he can come and play with his brothers. He's profoundly disabled in a wheelchair. And his two able bodied brothers, they come and they get to push him around the wheelchair and they run around. But the, but the drive from, from. West LA here, you know, at rush hour is very taxing.
Is there a way to, we get one of these in our neighborhood. Now we had completely tapped our friends out of every like nickel and dime, you know, like, like we built in $5 donations, $50 donations, very grassroots. We had a few corporate sponsors that came in toward the end that helped us put it, put it over the hump.
um, thankfully this family, the Gaffney family, wonderful people, they showed up with their own friends with money and wow. So we said, well, we've hit up everybody. We know, can we, you know, we'll help you build yours. Um, and we did a year later, we managed to raise the money quickly cuz they had friends and we built it in.
We replaced the playground in, uh, west LA, um, uh, a now called Aiden's place., uh, was playground number two. Yeah. And, and then like, you know, our mission kind of grew a little bit now, Maria Schreiber was showing up to help cut the ribbon and it was like starting to kinda gain some traction. Well, you know, here we are, Shay would now be 24.
And, uh, where at 72 or three plus parks, I think wow. Around the country and, and globally, we've gotten in Canada in, in south America, in Israel, in, in Sochi Russia with the, with the Olympics that were there a few years ago, they built one. Hope we don't talk about Russia right now. No,
Neil: but, um,
Scott Williams: don't celebrate that one quite as much as I used to. But, um, but at any rate, uh, you know, again, Lynn knows I'm a big Springsteen fan, you know, from small things, mama, a big things. One day come, you know, it was really one of those things that demonstrated to us that from a simple one idea, one day to like do something, um, to help us heal, uh, it, it accomplished that.
And then so much more. and so, you know, getting to watch kids play at these things and oddly enough, also getting to watch what we really didn't expect was there was an old man. At our playground, who was in a wheelchair and he was rolling his wheelchair around chasing his grandkids on our structures.
It's he has these things. Oh. And he came down and he was all outta breath and he just goes, I gotta tell you, he goes, I was paralyzed in a car accident at 17. He goes, I could never take my kids to the playground. And now, now I can take my grandkids.
Chesney: Wow. So this is great. Worked the other way around disabled family members can play with their kids.
It's amazing. Yeah. We didn't think about that. It
Scott Williams: was like, you know, so that's why the Mead quote. Will always be, you know, near and dear to my heart. We've, we've changed the name of the mission. We've expanded it. The organization is now called Inclusion Matters by Shane's Inspiration and it's at inclusion matters.org, but, um, you know, they continue to do great work.
You know, my wife and I are less involved on the day to day and serve more as ambassadors to it, cuz it's really taken on a life of its own the mission. So, um, but honestly, It goes hand in hand with, you know, with Hillary, it, it takes a village, you know, it really, yeah. That Margaret Mead quote means a lot to us cuz it's proof in the pudding cuz there's a lot of people that think what can me and my neighbors do about this situation?
What can we, how can we help the world? But it's like, you know, in small ways you help you help someone said it, you know, you help one, you help a million, you know? Yeah. So.
Lynn knows. My wife is a slacker
Lynn: your wife is totally not a slacker. Your wife is a dynamo. Like literally when she picks something up and she is
Scott Williams: on it, man was my sarcasm was my sarcasm. She's not here to defend herself. Say no. When, uh, listen, the worst thing you could tell my wife is no, because that means it's going to happen.
She, she just like,
Neil: we, we talking about this the other week, she's one of these get shit done, women. Right? That's
Scott Williams: what you total exactly right. Get shit done. She's a manifestor. Yeah. You know, she, I made the mistake at our previous house and I'm like, I wish I had like one foot of closet space, more, which I was think.
I'm gonna knock this wall out and maybe, you know, do next thing I know we're like searching for a new house and we're building a new house and Lynn's doing a new house, you know? And I'm like, whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down. Like, I, you gotta be careful what I say around her, cuz she'll make it happen. You know?
Yeah. um, like I said, no, I was the cynic going like, can we do this? And she was like, yeah, yeah. Just, just, just, just come with me and take the ride. And, uh, again, it was so grassroots. I mean we drafted her friend Tiffany, and so basically it, like, we started off all of our events included. Me and Tiffany's husband, Quin like loading and unloading trucks at our five Ks and 10 Ks.
And, you know, doing, doing all the work ourselves, we really, you know, every dollar that we raised went to the cause not to some production team that was gonna help us make our gala look cool. Like, no, we were there folding napkins and getting things, you know, but it's like, Honestly, it was, um, it was super healing and remains super healing and, uh, mm-hmm and, uh, and again, you just, especially the time when you just, the world seems so screwed up and, and, uh, you know, and be involved in
Chesney: something and it's just, you know, is giving good, doing good in the
Scott Williams: world.
Yeah. And you also, you just discover that there's such just a lot of really good people in the world that, you know, like it's like people at people at their core are nice and good and, and mean well, and, and wanna help, you know, it's. What gets attention is negativity. You know, nega, you know, like turning to the louder person that's pointing at the people who are your pro, this is your problem.
It's those people, they get the air time. They're a circus, a side show, but it's like, but on the whole. And, and unfortunately what doesn't get enough air time because it's, it's not as interesting, you know, I think I was just talking to a friend the other day about, you know, someone. Bunch of college friends and I were getting together, um, on a zoom and, um, and we hadn't, a lot of us hadn't seen each other in 30 some years and we were like, you know, let's all, let's all like, use these next few zooms to like tell our stories, you know?
And, um, mm-hmm, we have one friend there's a great guy, but he basically told us all about, about all of his successes and I'm this. And I did that. And then I did this and I did. And he's a, you know, uh, my, my college happened to be big on physical education. So a lot of these, you know, about half the guys are into like coaching, they coach sports, you know, different kinds.
So he is telling us about all the amazing people that he met and all this great things. And I gotta say it was like the least compelling story. And I told him, so because honestly, cuz everybody else got to tell the story, I got to talk about Shane. Yeah. Yeah. And I got to talk about the, the, the, the jobs I didn't get and the, the, the, the bumps in the road in our marriage that we overcame mm-hmm , you know, it.
And so that's. That's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear I'm the greatest. I build the tallest building. Look at me, you know, I want to hear about, yeah. You know, we had hard times and we overcame it and we didn't do it alone. It took, it took a small band of committed citizens to help pull us through that.
We all hate asking for help. We love giving it when we're asked for help. It's like what I could be of use for someone, you know? So I just discovered that, you know, it's as hard as it was to ask for help, people were really excited and eager to give it to give. Yeah. Yeah. It's stingy to not accept.
Goodness. You know, like my, my, my mother would do this thing with my grandmother. You ago, my mother grandmother would like send us, you know, send her 50 bucks for her birthday and she'd like, Give her back for her birthday, her own $50 check and like another $50 check. And I'm like, what the fuck? And she goes, what?
I just wanted to know, like, like, like no you're being stingy. You're not giving her the joy of giving to you. Let her give to you, you know? So,
Lynn: but your mother is Scottish though,
Scott Williams: that's, don't get me started on a whole Scottish thing. That's a whole month, right? That's that's no, the nobility of poverty, you know, that's that's
Hey, one of the things I'd say about you is how you manage you and Catherine both actually manage to create family where you go. You have like FA there is like family groups in a way, you know, like the shames people are very close. Um, and also when we moved over here, you and Catherine were very welcoming.
It was like, come into the family,
Scott Williams: right? Oh, you you're the same. You're the same type person though. I mean, honestly it, and, and yeah, it's, uh, we love being pulled into communities and we love pulling people into our and all that. But, um, yeah, again, same thing. It's very easy to, for us to isolate. You know, and especially in the, after the forced isolation of the last couple years, I'll have days where, you know, grace now lives in Baltimore with her boyfriend.
I don't know if you know that Lynn. Yeah. So she left there to go to school and she's, she took some time off and now she lives with her boyfriend and works in Baltimore. And, um, and so, and so she's gone. You know, we're, we're in her life every day. Thanks to the cell phone. You know,
Lynn: Grace is your daughter.
We should see that.
Cuz we haven't her yet.
Scott Williams: Grace is, grace is Shane's BR Shane's sister who was born three years later and she is healthy and wonderful. And, and we're grateful for her and girl actually. Yeah. Uh, the teenage years nearly killed us. But besides that
Chesney: yeah, that's that's teenage. That happens to all of us.
Scott Williams: But there are days in terms of isolation. I'm saying there are days that like, you know, so Katherine's out, Grayson's away. The dog's not talking to me. It's like, I'll go I'll. I'll go to Gelson's just to say hi to the cashier, just to like engage, communicate.
Chesney: But now, now you have me as a neighbor, so we can just
Scott Williams: get for a coffee where we meet, where, where what's the local we'll go to.
We'll go to Pat's for a drink.
Chesney: Yeah. Pat. Or Harvest Moon
Scott Williams: Harvest Moon. There you go. Yeah.
Lynn: There's many things I love about N C I S actually it keeps the drama for the screen. That's what I like. Yeah. Very much. You know, like the drama with N C I S is on in the show. It's not around the show. There's not
right. So very definitely.
Yeah. You know
what I mean? It seems like everybody just gets on and they do the thing.
Scott Williams: There's no diva like behavior at all. I, um, no. I joined in season nine and I had worked a season at Castle, uh, which was another great show and, uh, and got along great there. But then I got this really good offer from a friend that I had worked.
I'm dropping show names. A buddy of mine that I'd worked with a few years before on Bones. You remember Bones? Oh yeah. I remember. Yeah. I was writing bones. So Gary Glassberg called me up and goes, Hey, I have an opening, you know, I'm running the NCIS. Now I have an opening. Do you, can you come here? And he gave me a really good offer.
And, but I was like, I don't know shit about Navy. You know, it's like, I'm, I wasn't in the, in the military or thing. He goes, oh, it's, it's a cop show with heart and jokes. It's what we do. Yeah. You know? Cause if you watch Bones Castle, And NCIS they, they're also similar in tone in that they have, you know, we're solving crimes, but we're like, you know, they, we don't, they don't take themselves too seriously.
They crack jokes and there's a lot of hard moments. And if you can laugh and cry within an hour, you've done your job. But, um, But I went to Nathan Philly who plays Castle and said, Hey dude, I'm, you know, I'm leaving. He said, why, what are you doing? I said, well, I'm I'm I'm I got an offer from NCIS. He goes, oh, I hear that's the best gig in town.
Oh, he says all my friend, all my friends who work there who have been like guest stars there, like never wanna leave apparently like Mark Harmon's the coolest. And I gotta say. I showed up and I had my first lunch with Mark and I thought I was being punked cuz he was like, I'm like, he was so nice. And so welcomed.
You watch the catch. Yeah. And, and so when, when, when Lynn talks about no drama around the show, it all kind of trickles down from the top with that guy and that. He was a, he was a quarterback, a star quarterback at UCLA. And he's sort of the quarterback of this show in that all the good, and again, you'll find this on a lot of shows.
If you're number one on the call sheets, an asshole, there's gonna be kind of a hard time. It's number one of the call sheets. Really cool. You know, it's gonna trickle down to the rest of the crews. The one time where trickle down actually does apply. And, uh, so really it all starts with Mark. And, uh, and so for 10 years now that I've been on the show, Mark's been the quarterback and just been a dream.
And when we break for lunch, pre pandemic, you know, um, actors don't cut in the lunch line to get preferential treatment. They wait behind. I'll never forget. We had Lily Tomlin on my first year as a guest star. . And he, he grabbed her by the elbow and said, sorry, Lily, you can wait back here with me. And he like pulled her to the, to the back, great lunch line by, and all the crew members waiting at the food truck to get food.
And she was like, oh, oh, that's cool. Okay. Well, she didn't give a shit. She's no premadonna either, but she was just used to on other shows, actors taking their place. So Mark's very, very socialist in that regard and just like, no, no, we're just like everybody else. We're all just workers. And, um, and then losing him this year.
He decided after 19 seasons to hang it up and, uh, not to say we won't get him back as a guest star in some regard, if we can coax him out of, you know, he's not in retirement, he's, he's got other projects going on, but yeah. Um, and somehow we've survived. We've survived losses of other characters too, but we all though when we lose harm and we're gonna be, we're gonna be sunk, but.
Our numbers, knock wood have, have hung on there. So, um, you know, we're just gonna keep going.
Neil: Can I ask a question, Scott? Sure. Obviously I've been looking at your career. So you started writing. So what's the link. How come it seems that everything you've worked in you've produced, you've written, there's all the cop stuff.
There's all. , what's the link. It's all crime. It's all crime and people dying and you know, Neil
Scott Williams: I'm I'm, I'm very limited. That's why I'm just
Lynn: Rubbish! Don't even try that. Williams. I wanna know where it came.
Scott Williams: Called Neil. I've been recycling the same script for 25 years.
Neil: It's still not been found out. Right.
Lynn: That's not true. Sh don't even try it.
Scott Williams: Will you? No. You know, I think, uh, I tended bar for 12 years. You've heard of 12 years a slave. I was 12 years a bartender. So, um, From college to New York, to Los Angeles. As I aspired to be an actor early in my career, then that kind of gave away to the writing. I was such a good actor.
I'm a writer now. um, but you know, as a bartender, I got to, I got to know, and a lot of my friends were law enforcement. So I got to, you know, we had a lot of detectives and cops coming into the bar that I'd get to know. Um, I went to a, a school that was big on physical education. Like I said, a lot of my friends are coaches, but a lot of them also like, you know, went into become firemen or, or cops.
Mm. Um, Going hand in hand with that also, you know, there's a criminal element of element. I know quite a few people growing up as you know, in Europe, I'm the criminal element you're in Glaswegian, you know, a few, uh
Lynn: you know, few absolutely colorful people. We're colorful
Neil: taken as I've been in prison a lot.
Okay. Yeah, I get it.
Scott Williams: Fixer. So I've. I've always loved that fine line growing up. The, you know, the, the kids that were the troublemakers in our neighborhood were the cops kids, you know, they would get outta trouble all the time. So you write what you know. Yeah. So I, I was always very, um, sort of intoxicated by it and it's always sort of what I gravitated towards.
And, and then the script that got me an agent finally, after years of trying and hearing no, was a script. I wrote about a personal experience that a friend of mine had witnessed a murder at a bar that he was working in an after hours. Among mob guys. So I wrote this sort of like mob movie and the cops trying to investigate the thing.
So, and it led to a job with Ray Layota uh, I think I mentioned earlier that, you know, the movie that never got made, but about crooked cops. And that was the one that made David Milch at N Y P D blue go, Hey, you should write TV. So I just sort of found the niche of cop stories because there's sort of. They're like wise guys or mob guys for the cause of justice, you know, or something.
I dunno. So I always kinda like that. And again, I have a soft spot just as big, a soft spot for the criminal element, frankly, also. So I kinda like
exploring both O road.
Scott Williams: Which is why 10 minutes into hearing your podcast? I went, oh yeah, I know these. Yeah. Does that answer your question, Neil? I think that's about yes, does.
Yeah. Pretty much.
Lynn: I was gonna see is normally we do this thing, right. We normally do a thing where Chesney does music. Uh, Neil does like all the technical sound wiseness and I do story right. Good. Which is that I would read a little, so thanks very much. Normally I read, I'll ask you a question and then I'll read a little into your story, but I think you're very open.
And so what I'm thinking would be good in this place is Neil is a very prepared individual. it doesn't look like that by looking at him, but he's a very prepared individual. And he said earlier on, he said, you know how Scott used to be a barman. Do you think he'd be prepared to do a quiz on how to make certain cocktails and bar work.
Oh Jesus. And I was like, yeah. Did she fit back into it? There's no better way to do authenticity. So are you ready to do the bar?
Neil: We're putting it on you. I'm afraid to,
Scott Williams: you know, I honestly, I, I, people ask me if I know how to make these fancy cocktails, you know, cuz now they're what they're there are these, there are these incredible bartenders of these recipe.
In my day, it was like G and tonic, scotch and soda, you know, like, but, but give a, gimme a try.
Lynn: he prepared it. Scott,
he prepared it and
Neil: thought, how many can you get in 45 seconds.
Scott Williams: Oh, oh, oh. I'm I'm excited. Yes.
Chesney: Oh my
Neil: yes is, this is why people come on our show, right? This is why this is it. This
Chesney: is our first ever quiz by the way, Scott first
Scott Williams: really I'm so excited.
God, I hope I at least get half of these right. Five of us. Stop.
Scott Williams: pressure. I wish we were drinking right now. It's 10 in the morning here by the
Neil: go ahead. Okay. Scott Williams. Standby. You ready? Take it away. Quizmaster. Here we go. Screw drivers include what? Fruit juice. Orange juice. Yes. Correct. Ding, which liquor is used to make a bloody Mary or liquor vodka tomato juice.
Thank you very much. Ding, which of these cocktails could be ordered dry or dirty America? No martini Manhattan are old fashioned martini. Of course it could be ding, which cocktail is made of these ingredients. Vodka, triple set, gram juice and lime juice. Mojito painkiller blue. Cosmopolitan Cosmo
Scott Williams: is that right?
Neil: Ding, ding, ding, ding. . You got them. All right.
You another one you got 1, 2, 3, 12
Neil: So 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah. You got four, right? So there you go.
Scott Williams: I was worried. You were gonna gimme like, Hey, can you make me a slippery monkey? You know, or whatever those, like, you know,
Neil: we're really not that intelligent, clever, or about slippery nipples either.
Scott Williams: we get like, Hey man, can you make me a fuzzy nipple? And I'd be like, go back to your TGI Fridays in Passaic, New Jersey and order your local.
Neil: What happened to TGI Fridays? God, that was the eighties
Scott Williams: wrapped up. Remember that? Yes, that was when I was working and we'd get the, we'd get what we call the bridge and tunnel crowd.
We'd get kids from long island or New Jersey coming into the town and they'd ask the beach, their local, local beverage sex on the beach or whatever that those I kind of learned, you know? Yeah, yeah. But, uh, long island, nice teas and those things, but. Oh, that was exciting. Good. Huh? when I watch the kids, I watched the bartenders now with these craft guys with their, with their handlebar mustache, just putting like egg whites on top of things.
I'm like, I have no idea what you're
Neil: doing. I thought handlebar mustaches. I thought that was either coffee guys or barbers these days.
Scott Williams: Isn't I don't know. Lynn have you been in the local restaurants? They're all. They're all kind of, you know,
Lynn: especially the women there
Chesney: for the big mustaches, a lot of designer beards within the women bartenders
Lynn: Because you're very generous with spirit. And also, I think you are like a hundred percent honest. What would you say to somebody who's not necessarily bartending right now? Because I think that like, you really enjoyed bartending, even though it wasn't your big plan, right. That what would you say to somebody who would like not your career, but would like to be a writer., and like to make their life as a writer, but aren't, they a writer, you know,
Scott Williams: I will say I loved bartending in my twenties. Uh, by my thirties, I was like, oh my God, I have to get a life. Yeah. Every bartending shift I had, yes. I was like making lots of money and meeting girls and, you know, getting loaded half the time.
But like I also would've dropped it all and I'd, you know, gotten a yes at an audition and been, you know, my career was made. Um, but I had the, the disadvantage of when I landed on Columbus avenue on the west side of Manhattan, Bruce Willis, uh, had just left his bartending gig up the street at a, at, uh, at cafe central to go take the job, um, on Moonlight.
Right. Love and then, and do, and then do Die Hard. So, you know, everybody was like, Hey man, Bruno, you know, Bruno up the street. Yeah. He just scored like literally the day I started, they were like Bruno up the streets, got a job and I'm like, okay, all I'm gonna go that way. And then Bruce Willis became this giant star.
Every Manhattan bartender at that point was like, I'm the next I'm up next. I call, I call next. You know, but also with bartending too, when David Milch gave me my first job. You know, on N Y P D blue. He said, I like your writing. Fine. I like the fact that you attended bar for 12 years, even more so like the job that I had a love, hate relationship with all those years actually gave me characters and gave me if I got to see people at their best and their worst.
And I got to write about, and I still access that bank of people that I've, you know, that I remember from those years. And then since, and I often. Aspiring writers that, you know, there are no shit jobs, like whether if you're making French fries at McDonald's pay attention and focus, because you'll one day be writing the story of the French fry maker who saved the world and you'll have personal experience to draw upon it.
I get crazy. You know, John, Bainer the speaker of the house back in the Obama years, you know, he's such an asshole. He said when he accepted the speakership, remember he was like big on crying. I dunno if you guys recall, but he was a big. Yeah, but I think I told the crap jobs I had coming up. Now I'm a speaker of the house and I was like, you moron, you are speaking like your constituents, the people you claim to represent, have those crap jobs, like where those jobs beneath you and now you've arrived where you should be all along.
It's like, yeah, there are no crap jobs, man. Like, it's like, everything's an experience and fodder material. For your later life and for yeah. You know, life experience or experience that you're gonna put on a page and become a writer with. So. I always just say, you know, you've gotta pay your rent. Um, also a lot of writing, you know, isn't necessarily typing words on a page, cuz you've gotta spend all kinds of time staring out windows and thinking of how a scene will go down before you begin to put it to the page.
So, you know, but a lot of writers beat themselves up if they don't get a, you know, if they get a half a page written that day, um, it's a discipline like anything else and you know, and you're a writer, I don't know Ches and Neil go that way, but it's like, you. It's hard. I hate to make what I do sound like hard, but it's hard.
you know, and not everybody can do it of, yeah. And I think there's some talent involved, but moreover than that, there's like just like elbow grease involved. Yeah. I mispronounce the word all the time, but there's some word like. That someone said early, my career is it's flesh, it's some German name or something.
It basically means like, sit your flesh, sit your flesh in your seat and get it written, you know? Right. Do it. Right. So don't get it right. Get it written. There's all kinds of axioms like that, you know?
Chesney: Yeah. But you know, I have a question for you, Scott, because you work in TV and there's probably a lot of deadlines and you've always got something too, write
Are there passion projects that you've had over the years that you haven't been able to get to and maybe through the pandemic, did you get to
Scott Williams: anything like that? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, deadlines are your friend because I have been guilty of, and I have friends that if I am writing some passion project on the side, Unless I have a deadline.
It's like, I could be writing this thing for 10 years. You know what I mean? It's the whole, yeah, it's the whole, there's somehow line an animal house of like, I've been working on my novel for five years. It goes, oh, it must be very good. No, it's a piece of shit. You know, it's like, it's that whole . But, but, but if I have a deadline, you know, people will say, how long does it take you to write a script?
I'll say, how long do I have, like, if you give me two weeks, it's like, I'll bang it out in two weeks. If you give a year, you know, that's, it's, it's gonna meander a bit before I get it to where I like it. Mm-hmm I have. Blessing of working on a show and having worked on multiple shows now that have a world already sort of created that I can kind of write into and characters that already have a voice that I can mimic that I can conjure and, and, and mimic their voices.
Um, but in terms of features, I've only had two features made, one, went straight to video, and one, I completely lost credit on because it was a, it was a biography and it was a, a sport biography that got rewritten a million times and, and partially fictionalized. And I kind of lost it. Um,
Chesney: it's probably good for you.
Scott Williams: Yeah. You know, that's why I stick with television. Cause it's like, but yeah. Movies are like, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning, despite the crap, you see the glut of material choice on choice you have. Yeah. Yeah. I used to say, when you walk through blockbuster, you're like where these movies come from, you know, how come no one's making my movie?
By the way, one of the coolest, it's like one of the greatest benefits of this podcast that you guys have Ches do this for people. This is, oh yeah. Wonderful.
Neil: Lynn and I are filler, you know, basically
hanging on your shirt tails and I mean,
Scott Williams: yeah. The opportunity for chess to sing a favorite song. It's wonderful.
Neil: It's beautiful. Utilize him for all sorts of things. Yeah. Yeah. I've loved
Chesney: it, Scott, you know, this is for me, like I've, I've discovered all sorts of music and managed to kind of like, you know, record and play with artists that I wouldn't.
Maybe not have, have even discovered sometimes, you know? Right. So for, for our listener, um, just so to, so they're up to date every week we give, we have our lovely guest, uh, choose us a song for us. And then I make a, a version of that song, uh, as a gift for our guest. So Scott, uh, gave us. All sorts of songs to choose from.
Scott Williams: Yeah. I give choices out panic, I think on both the sayings and the songs, cuz you know, none of us wanna be pigeonhole as one thing. No, you know, I don't wanna be like, our lips are sealed by the Gogos and I have everyone go
Neil: yeah. Yeah. It's the go guy. What?
Lynn: Oh, I wish you'd chosen. Our lips are by the, the Gogos you know what the, the thing is is you don't have
Scott Williams: that's worry's long.
I just. But people can judge you on one song. They can,
Lynn: you're gonna be pitching. Pigeon might be the no, but you will be by being the nice. By being the proof that there are nice guys exist and you will be pigeonholed by that,
Scott Williams: that say, yeah, that that's a good, that's a good hole to be pigeoned into. I'm fine.
Chesney: Well, I actually, for one was very grateful for a list of songs because I don't normally get that choice, you know, so for me, because a lot of times, uh, the songs, my own.
How the fuck am I gonna do sing?
Scott Williams: Our lips are sealed by the Gogos. You are .
Chesney: Why didn't you say that? oh, geez. Yes, yes. That's what I'm gonna do.
No, actually, if you don't mind, uh, I'll actually read all, all of your song choices and then I'll tell you which one I did, so, okay. So you said earlier on that you were a Springsteen fan Thunder Road, which I absolutely. Beautiful song, Jackson Brown, another incredible artist. Uh, your bright baby blues, uh, Free Man In Paris by Joni Mitchell.
Beautiful. I actually introduced that song to my, uh, daughter yesterday. She's going to Paris in a couple of days. Oh, wonderful. And so I said, you have to listen to that song. Um, and there was two that I really was like, oh yeah, that that's that's me all over the first one was XTC Mayor of Simpleton, which I.
you know, who doesn't love XTC.
Scott Williams: I knew your brits would get hooked by that one.
Chesney: Yeah. Oh, of course, of course. I mean, I took a while to choose, you know, but in the end I plumed for Van Morrison's Into The Mystic. Oh, nice. Because I'm such a van fan and uh, I love his soul. Uh, his gypsy soul. Yeah. Uh, so, so that was the song.
Uh, we went for, um, yeah, Into The Mystic by Van Morrison..
Neil: Okay. Well just for you then Scott Williams, not that one. by the wonders of technology here, we have Chesney Hawkes performing Into The Mystic.
Chesney: We were born into the wind.
than the sun here. The bunny boat was won as we sail into the mystic.
Now here, the sail cry, smell the sea and feel the sky. Let your soul and spirits fly into the mystic.
When that for,
I will be coming home.
And when that, for home blues, I want to.
I don't have to fear it. Wanna rock your gypsy soul just like way back in the day. Oh, then magnific. And we will flow into the, my.
And when. Horn,
you know how we'll be coming home.
And when that fog horn whistle blows, I gotta hear
it. It, and I wanna rock your gypsy soul.
Back in the days. Oh. And on, we will into the
into the Mister.
Neil: Just for you, Scott Williams, that was Ches performing Van Morrisons Into The Mystic. Well done Ches. Smashed it. Ches. You.
Scott Williams: That is a gift man. You are gifted. That is really beautiful. And I wondered how you were gonna handle those horns and your vocals are spectacular right there. Beautiful.
Chesney: Great. Thank you guys.
Thank you so much. Yeah. I, uh, always try and keep the recording of it. Very simple. Just guitar and vocal or whatever. So, you know, I've no, I couldn't get the horn section in for that. So. But I just
Scott Williams: sing it, you know, as the horns approached, I kind of thought, I wonder how he is gonna do that. And then there use your beautiful vocal.
I'm like, oh, like that. Okay. That covers it. that's great. Yeah. And nice guitar work as well.
Neil: Beautiful. Thank you. Tell us about that song, Scott, why, uh, what is it? Does it give you some, any particular memories or why is that one hold such a special,
Scott Williams: you know, it's a couple things, I think it's a high school or friends and I would go to a bar and, and, and, you know, underage drink beer and, and the jukebox had Moon Dance on side a and, and, and that song on side B.
it takes me back to that place. And I remember I was just, just discovering him at that point. Mm-hmm um, And also too, I just, I just consider it such a beautiful song. It sounds marose to say, but it's one of those it's like, yeah, play that at my funeral. That's like such a great, right. such a beautiful song.
Send me off Into The Mystic to that song. That's great. Yeah. And I've seen Van a few times, you know, and he is not he's, he's an interesting cat, cuz he's just a he's he's not a faithful conse, you know, he'll, he'll give a jazz version of things and. He, he could be, he could be curmudgeonly and all that stuff, but
Chesney: there's great stories about Van in, in those ways.
Like, I I've heard that he's done gigs literally facing away from the crowd, but he doesn't even, he doesn't even show his face
sometimes. Yeah. Oh no.
Scott Williams: Yeah, he does everything, but a big middle finger on his back, you know, just to say all of you, but that said, it's like, there's no voice, like his, there's no writer like him.
And you know, he's just, he's incredible. You know, he's just, he's definitely unique for sure. So that's, I think I love lots, lots of an songs, but that one definitely is probably my number one. Well,
Lynn: actually we should probably close now, Scott Williams, every time I meet you, I like you more. And I don't really know how that happens, cuz already like I was going to the guys, we brought Scott Williams, jewel love him.
He was lovely. And then I meeting I'm like, God, he really is lovely. So thank you so much for doing
Scott Williams: this. I right back at you on all counts Lynn and Ches and Neil too. Thank you. Uh, just for having me, I was delighted to get the invitation. I'm like, you know, What you been contact? Yes. Please sign me up. Yes, please.
Chesney: And about, and we'll definitely get that slippery nipple at the thirst
Scott Williams: Absolutely. I'm I'm, I'm going to New York, my wife and I going to, to, to Baltimore to visit my daughter and then to New York in for much of May, but, uh, but I'll be back in June, so, uh, we'll do it then. Big love to hear. Thank you and to your Mister and Neil, and thank you so much.
Uh, Ches and, and listen, we'll all get together at some point, Neil, I don't know when I'm in the UK next, but yeah,
Neil: absolutely. Thank you so much for making the time for us. We really appreciate it. Scott Williams on our podcast.
Scott Williams: Love your love you back. Thank you for.
Lynn: how much do you love him? Scott?
Neil: I told you, right? I told you,
Chesney: right. I was skeptical, but you were right.
Lynn: adorable and skeptical, skeptical and adorable, but right. Well,
Chesney: a lovely man.
Neil: And he's my neighbor. There you go. I know, right? Yeah. You can go and have a couple of sherries he's gonna be
Chesney: my friend too.
Neil: Yeah. Well, But it was an interesting thing. So Lynn, you observed the fact that we asked him for a quote and he gave us a list of quotes. So, you know, it was an interesting observation about the sort of person he is and, and a generous man. And the other thing that I read into that was it was the other quotes as well.
I thought when I started reading the other quotes, it was, uh, We won't go into them all. Now, just the, the, one of the other short ones, the sign of a first rate mind is the ability to have two opposite opinions at the same time F Scott Fitzgerald. But I thought, wow. When I, when I read these quotes, I'm like, wow, this guy's a doer.
This is a guy that, that does stuff's well, look what he's done. Exactly. And then. Um, and then of course we got a window into his soft side because he then sort of gave us a couple of quotes, which were some from songs and there's that lovely one from the who song. And I gladly lose me to find you. So he is obviously got that loving, soft side, but yeah, what he does with Shane's Inspiration and his other charity is We Spark, which is about to care for cancer patients.
Chesney: Oh, wow. We didn't mention that. It's good that we mentioned
Neil: that. I mean, it's just incredible. It really is. Um, yeah. What he. And what he's done.
Lynn: Amazing. See, I think that, uh, I think his, uh, strong side and his soft side are the same. Right, right. I think he, I think that what makes him so strong is that he's not afraid to be soft like that.
If you ask him a question, he'll, he'll answer it. Honestly, he doesn't put on some kinda vibe, a very important man for me, like no. True. Right? No, he's just like totally straight up who. Yeah, I love him. I, I don't have anything else to say really. Cause I haven't learned that. I love him more except I just love him.
I think he's like, I'm very glad he did our podcast. Yeah.
Chesney: Thank you for bringing him on Lynn and introducing us.
Lynn: I think we live in a, in a world at the moment where we are often led to believe that people who have power don't seem to have any integrity. Yeah. What we expect and what he is such a good reminder of is.
Power and integrity can and do go hand in hand.
Chesney: And it sounds like the same thing with the big boss of N C S he sounds like similar kind of character.
Lynn: Mark Harmon seems to be a sweet guy.
Neil: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So what is that old thing of like, sort of, um, You know, we, you attract the right people, don't you, it's all that thing about every the right energy attracting each other.
And so it's probably no surprise that he's ended up working on that show. Is it
Lynn: really? Yeah, just a good guy. Yeah. So guys are we finished for this week listener? I hope that you've very much enjoyed it. We enjoyed having you here listener.
Chesney: And we love doing this too. Don't we guys, we do. Yeah, we really do.
Lynn: Do you know what we have to be careful of? What because our listener possibly lives in the UK and there's been a lot of love. We love you guys. We things. And if I a listener, oh God, right. Oh oh god.
Yes. So great. Yeah. So our listener. Uh, if you're in the UK, which you probably are, uh, Chesney's mum, uh, know that we, uh, we did actually have fun.
We hope you've had fun. And, uh, we're back again soon with another guest and another quote and
Neil: Yeah, absolutely perfectly summed up, uh, Lynn,
Lynn: but until then, We have been
Ferguson, Harrington Hawkes,
and we will see you.
Neil: So see you next timeless. Now listen. Thank you. Bye mom.
Chesney: I'll call you later.
bye. Love you.
Lynn: Bye. Stop with a love thing. They're in the UK.
Chesney: Oh, sorry. Sorry. You're all a bunch of . Oh, sorry.
Neil: I'm glad I didn't stop recording. And I've got that beautiful Christmas take in one line. You've been listening to Ferguson Harrington Hawkes with Lynn Ferguson, Neil Harrington and Chesney Hawkes written and produced for source productions by surprise, surprise Lynn Ferguson, Neil Harrington, and Chesney Hawkes.
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