Ginny Lemon - Videos and Transcript

In this weekly roundup, there’s Ginny’s caption video, links to Chesney’s video on Ginny’s chosen song, and one of the roughest transcripts you’ll ever read. 🤪

And if you missed Ginny’s podcast episode click here.

Ginny’s Quote: ‘It's All A Game’

Ginny’s Song: Cloudbusting

Caption Video:

Don’t think Chesney could cover Kate Bush? Well watch Chim put the Cloudbusting together on TikTok.

A Very Rough Transcript:

Neil: …and grabbed, there was a young lady from Bude who went for a swim in a lake, a man in a punt. Okay.

Chesney: bit askew, we say?

Lynn: I feel a bit of skew as well. I have

Chesney: Yeah. It's all right. I,

Neil: allowed to feel a bit of skew at 7:00 AM. Okay. So

Chesney: yeah. And I admitted, uh, to Neil just now that I nearly came in my robe

Neil: And

Chesney: this morning. So that's my spandex

Lynn: As opposed to your

Chesney: Hefner Hefner robe 

Lynn: nearly came in your spanx.

Neil: and

Chesney: it is rather early

Neil: on tape as well. We have both admissions on tape as well,

Chesney: oh shit. You were recording already. Dammit. Oh,

Neil: um, okay. Yeah, let's do this. Hello everybody. And welcome to this week's episode of Ferguson Harrington Hawkes.

Lynn: I'm Ferguson.

Neil: I'm Harrington.

Chesney: I'm Hawkes

Lynn: Were you there? Neil? Were you

Chesney: you would just take this little, little pause there, you know, so I was it just for pause, for effect

Neil: you look surprised you, you actually look surprised by your own name Ches that's what I thought

Lynn: Yeah.

Neil: I thought was like, oh

Chesney: I'm always surprised by myself somehow. I'm surprised I'm up at 7:00 AM.

Lynn: is it's, it's just bloody early. I'm surprised by the name Hawkes for you. I have to say, because Hawkes is kind of, you know, oh, okay. So Hawkes is, are adorable, right? Like Hawks Hawks, Bird-Hawks But they're scary. Fighty things like my,

Chesney: they're

Lynn: my chickens. Yeah. My chickens are

Chesney: scared of Hawks. But they like me. So

Lynn: do like you, but, so that's a, have you ever found that having the name.

Of a predator has been problematic for you.

Chesney: that's not something I've ever thought about.

Lynn: yeah. You have a name of a

Chesney: Yeah, but I'm at, yeah, it's a bird of prey. Exactly.

Lynn: Yeah,

Chesney: Yeah. Like top of the tree, I guess, you

Lynn: Well I guess it basically, you destroy people with your adorability Chesney. That's what it is, right?

Chesney: maybe because I'm a predator, uh, by name, I I've, I've made up for it for, for, in other ways for being fluffy.

Neil: ah, there it is. right. I need to tell you about my weekend's research in preparation for today's show.

Lynn: oh. Is it about predators? New? Is there

Neil: no, it's not predatory too. It's just relevant because you, you know me, I take my work seriously. You know, it's not all just thrown together. All right. It's carefully crafted. So I was thinking about today's guest and I went out and researched at the weekend.

The closest I could get was I went to a transvestite night club on Sunday night.

Chesney: Good man. Did you dress up Neil?

Neil: Uh, no, no, we didn't

Chesney: No Spanx.

Neil: but, uh, yeah, quite randomly, we ended up at a transvestite night club in the arse end of Hartfordshire at three o'clock in the morning, dancing with Sally Switchboard and Greta Grip.

Who

Lynn: oh

Neil: to say when Greta Grip was fabulous.

Chesney: wow.

Neil: was. Yeah.

Chesney: You've really gone for

Lynn: no,

Neil: I should

Chesney: This is committed.

Lynn: that is cool. Hey, you know, I'm qualified too. Yeah, because the first house that we bought in LA remember this Ches.. Well, you don't know if, you know, because

Chesney: of course. I know this story. Well, I know what's coming. Yes. Yes.

Lynn: the first house we bought in LA, the former owners were, um, the owners of the most popular, um, transvestite, uh, drag queen, um, nightclub.

And called the Queen Mary,

Chesney: Yeah,

Lynn: may, God is, you can tell it's seven o'clock this morning. I was like, what, what do you call

Chesney: I know I'm a bit brain fogged as well. Lynn, I have to

Lynn: But you, in, in the house, right. I had these weird areas, like in one of the bathrooms we used to call this bathroom, the Liberace, cuz it was all gold. Right. Cause when we got it, it wasn't very pretty, it'd been run down.

In fact, it'd been a sober living house for a while. So we found crack pipes up the chimney and everything. But before in its glory days, it still had its gold bathroom, like it's golden sink or kind of more Quality Street wrapper sink. And, and it had a, a matching, uh, shower door right over the shower area. But it also had a, a, an adjoining door that was round the toilet.

Right. So there was a glass door around the toilet. So that was either for someone's viewing pleasure. or because the people there were very, very splashy. Right. And then upstairs, we had that stage. And then at one point we were just out in the backyard. Well, the front yard and this man came round and he had been, he'd lived next to the house when the people who owned the Queen Mary lived there.

Uh, and when he was a kid and he said there used to be painted pink and they had a lot of Roman statues and they would have naked pool parties in the backyard. And they had a little white poodle that used to jump off the diving board into the pool.

Chesney: oh, fabulous.

Neil: That is

Chesney: is so fabulous. Wasn't there a pole?

Neil: Yeah.

Lynn: Well, it was a stage upstairs for sure. And, and like, it was positioned in a way that there would've been a pole.

Chesney: Right. yeah.

Lynn: one of the things about LA because in the UK, because of the way that they build houses, you'll get a house, a lot of houses that are the same shape, right? In London, the terrace houses are roughly the same shape. 

In LA. No, they just, they laugh in the face of planning permission. And so basically every house that you go in is a different shape. Right.

Chesney: Very different. Yeah. Yeah.

Lynn: So tell us about your research. Did you do more research or was it

Neil: No, I

Lynn: Dancing

Neil: So today's guest quote. I think this inspirational quote is effectively a battle cry to me. That's what I think. It stands for, um, a battle cry. We all know is a, a, a phrase shouted by soldiers going into battle to express solidarity and to intimidate the enemy. Um, now this was quite interesting.

I thought battle cries are not necessarily articulate. Well, we all know that cuz we hear the blah, blah, although they often aim to invoke patriotic or religious sentiment, but where does the battle cry, originate and how has all that come about? So this is where I think it gets interesting. So across mammal species, males will frequently engage imposing that includes roaring snorting or screeching, but today's quote and battle cry.

Isn't from a male and that's exactly the point.

Lynn: it's not going to be a roar then if it's a male, then it's a roar.

Neil: No, no, no, it's not. Aurar today's guest has struggled all their life with who they are and actually identifies as non-binary. So we have a showbiz quote from today's guest, and I thought as you two are in showbiz, if I act it out, you might be able to guess it.

Okay.

Chesney: Wow. This is fun. I,

Lynn: know? Right.

Neil: we are gonna play today. This is, this is where the research ended up.

Lynn: Chesney Chesney. Can I ask you, is this really happening or am I

Chesney: I, I feel like, I feel like I'm still dreaming

Lynn: Me too. Right? Is it? Cause it's really early in the morning. Did Neil just say he was

Neil: still a

Lynn: gonna act something 

Neil: dream. 

Chesney: said I'm in a bit of a brain fog, but yeah, this is, uh, this is, yeah. Let's let's, let's play it out Lynn and

Neil: play it out. Today's quote, okay. Three statements here is the first one. Okay. Here is the first statement.

Chesney: So listeners, just so that, you know, Neil is pouring a shot of gin. or tequila or whatever it is

Lynn: And he's drunk it..

Chesney: and he's drunk it

Neil: So that's the first, that's the first

Lynn: you can hear how manly Neil is in.

Neil: you've hit. You've hit. That is the first part of the quote, poor. You were right with poor pouring myself something. The second part

Chesney: uh, okay. Listeners, uh, Neil is now applying lipstick by, by . Yeah,

Lynn: little more frightened, but 

Chesney: Where 

Lynn: Chesney, is this a bad dream? Are we in like you

Chesney: just, I'm definitely in a surreal moment at the

Neil: what have I done?

Chesney: look beautiful. Love.

Neil: what have I

Lynn: frightened, you frightened

Chesney: You've got yourself ready. You, you you've. You've had a, you've had a, a stiff drink and you've put on your war paint and you're ready to go out.

Okay.

Neil: this quote was by Elizabeth Taylor. Okay. This quote was that's

Lynn: Oh, is it something like drink a stiff gin and put on lipstick or something? Is that what it is?

Neil: Yeah, exactly. Pull yourself a drink, put on some lipstick and pull yourself together. I didn't get to the end of pulling myself

Lynn: well, I'm glad you didn't pull yourself together. Like I were already struggling. I am liking this, uh, Neil 3.0, the new

Chesney: this is more like Neil three, four point. Oh,

Lynn: right.

Chesney: You know, I never thought I'd see him put on lipstick, to be honest

Neil: gone up for tangent with your heads at 7:00 AM. That's all it is really So the quote, the inspirational quote from today's guest, that's it, pour yourself a drink, put on some lipstick and pull yourself together. And that is apparently a quote from Elizabeth Taylor. So that was the, uh, that was the link. That's why I went down the battle cry route.

Chesney: Mm.

Neil: guys? Yeah.

Lynn: I think there is a thing with that though, too. Like the, what comes to mind is early morning. It's not the cheeriest story, but I, I think I do like that up and get on with it thing. I have a kinda weird day story, which is that at one, one time I was doing, I was playing the dame in a pantomime oh no, I wasn't.

Oh yes, it was. And, um, it's behind me though. It's in my past, it's behind me. And at the time my mom was really, really ill and it didn't look like she was gonna make it through Christmas. And, um, I didn't, there wasn't any replacement. There wasn't a, a replacement for me. And, um, so if I hadn't done it, then the show would go down until they could find someone.

And, uh, it was my dad. Cause I was going, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna go up there and do it. My dad went it's everybody's Christmas. He said, you can't do that. It's everybody's Christmas. And what you gonna do anyway. And it was one of the best things actually, because I couldn't do anything. And like, uh, but like it was this weird, um, combination of things where I was dressed and dressed as, uh, was it granny green or something like that.

And I can't even remember what the, the thing was. It was Babes In The Wood at the Tron and anyway, and I had all magic rings. Singing bees and all manner and stuff. Um, but so like during the day, like the pantomime's during the day and at night, I was like all padded up with big face and lipstick. And then as soon as the show went down, I would call my dad. and say how is mom has she made it through the next hour? Well, do you know? But there, but the, I think that the reason I bring it up though, is because yeah, it is tough technically on paper, I guess, but I, I wonder the tough part of it is that it's a horrible situation to be in. Right. And the, if you, the, if a parent is a very beloved parent, uh, appears to be dying, um, that's a horrible thing.

But then the, the thing after that is what is your choice? You know, if I decided not to do the pantomime and just sat around going, oh, look, I'm having a terrible time. What, what difference would it have made? It wouldn't have changed the thing that really was hurting. so I, I get it. I do think about that. I think that's

Chesney: And it's beautiful of your dad to say that. Can I just, can I just say, when you, when you first said that there was no one to replace me and then you said, and it was my dad, I thought you were gonna say he replaced you.

Neil: He.

Lynn: oh, my dad would've loved that. My dad got up and did it. What?

Neil: Pantomime Dame.

Lynn: from a showbiz family. Oh, he would've been brilliant.

Neil: brilliant.

Chesney: Hmm.

Lynn: you go. Seven o'clock in the morning, but I, I don't know about pouring myself a stiff drink and putting on lipstick. Cuz poor. Generally, if I'm in a situation where I pour myself a stiff drink, the lipstick is gonna be like pantomime afterwards.

Right? be, it'll be a lipstick, but not necessarily where you'd put lipstick.

Chesney: Yeah. Can I ask a question? Neil, are you feeling that shot?

Neil: Um, it's quite nice. Actually. I'm gonna go again.

Lynn: another one.

Chesney: You gonna go for another one? This is gonna be a hell of a show Lynn I'm

Lynn: I know because the two of us are drunk, tired, and Neil was just drunk.

Chesney: he's

Neil: Just hair of the dog. I'm just, just hair of the dog from Sunday night. That's why it feels

Chesney: oh my Lord.

Lynn: oh my God. Yeah.

Chesney: Yeah.

Neil: Yeah. All

Chesney: Do you think there's something to be said for like that, with that quote where it's hiding behind something, uh, or kind of like pushing something down before you, uh, go and face people. You know what I mean? Like the sentiment behind it, I think is probably just like, you know, fuck everyone I'm and anything that's happening in my life right now.

I'm just going to, I'm gonna have a drink, I'm gonna put some makeup on and I'm gonna go and be fabulous. And that's that. And I'm gonna forget about things for a while. I just wonder if it's more, uh, you know, pushing things down a little bit, but, and, and, you know, knowing that you're gonna have to face it

Lynn: Well, you must have done that though. Cheers Neil. Right? Like, because, um, the amount of abuse that you took is a 20 year old or whatever of like, and, and actually you still get yeah. But the, um, well at 19 there was a great deal of love. Right? And then what comes after the love is the like, you know, he's ridiculous or he's a blah, blah, blah.

I even watched you at a party of ours. Do you know? Well, remember at her party, we had, we have, this party was at a boxing day party or something we had with a karaoke party. And, um, this guy from down the street, God, he like a neighbor. He is the neighbor that you wish you didn't invite to parties. And he was, he just would not leave you alone.

Like he would not leave you alone. He was like being all assy and you know, doing one and only jokes and everything.

Chesney: He thought that being mean was gonna kind of endear him to me for some reason. Didn't he? Yeah. Off color jokes and just kind of like, ah, I bet you love that one. And only what, you know, all that

Neil: That's alcohol at a party logic. Isn't

Chesney: there. It probably was a bit of that as

Lynn: yeah. I think he might have done the, pushing it down and putting on, but he didn't put the lipstick on, but I watched you with the skill of like a master where you just would like tolerate it and then you go off and have a really sweet conversation with someone else. Like for someone who wasn't practiced in dealing with that sort of behavior, they'd have lost their shit, throwing a Rammy and left, whereas you were just like,

Chesney: just another

Lynn: yeah, yeah. But your kids as well, your kids did it. They were just like, yeah. And then go on with it. So I think you've done

Chesney: abuse again.

Lynn: Yeah. Dad's getting shit again.

Chesney: Yeah. exactly. Yeah. I guess I've just learned it over the years, you know, to deal with that kind of it's it's funny.

Neil: it's a great saying for showbiz, isn't it? Cause I think when we do our Edinburgh run, I'm gonna adopt that to, I think that's what

Chesney: are you gonna put lipstick on every

Neil: basically right on stage. Right. Okay. I'll be standing there to go on and you just gimme a shot of this. Let me borrow some lipstick and I'll pull myself together and we'll be off and that'll be the show.

Lynn: might, this might be the first podcast we do where Neil's a bit tipsy. This is gonna be

Chesney: be, it could be

Neil: come on.

Chesney: we we're going in for a third. Oh God,

Neil: it. Let's do

Chesney: God. Our poor guest.

Neil: and we will see our guest on the other side of this break. All right. We'll see you all shortly.

Chesney: it up, bring it up.

Neil: everyone. Yeah.

Lynn: Oh my God.

Ginny: not

Neil: right. I'm gonna give you your intro, Ginny, and then we can crack on. All right. Are we ready? Team everybody have a drink. Are we ready to go?

Lynn: Got

Chesney: yeah, you should.

Neil: What, what? Ches?

Chesney: I'll say, Neil show you that one, another shot before you start

Neil: have another shot?

Chesney: Neil Neil, for some reason for, well, there is a reason which we we'll explain in a minute, but Neil is drinking today.

Ginny: baby. fabulous. Good. Get a drink down ya girl.

Chesney: yeah. 

Neil: by your quote. Love. All right, standby. We ready? Here we go. right. So today's guest is currently traveling around the UK, starring in Ru Paul's Drag Race. The Official Tour, one definition of their style is nineties daytime TV presenter on acid, officially the hairiest woman in showbiz, and recently appeared with our Ches on celebrity coach trip.

We fancy a slice. So please join us in welcoming improvisational comedian Ginny Lemon on our podcast.

Ginny: Woo. AABs

Chesney: Uh, I haven't had you

Ginny: thanks for having me.

Lynn: vodka. Oh.

Chesney: yet, but I'm planning on it.

Ginny: Ah, oh, you flirt.

Chesney: for joining us, Jen. It's so good to see

Ginny: Oh, it's so good to see you. It's been, it's been a while. Hasn't it? It's been a, it's been a hot minute. Hasn't it?

Chesney: It has, well, you know, last time we saw each other was in Portugal.

Ginny: oh, and I'll never forget it. How romantic

Lynn: I love come on. There was

Ginny: was the most sensual holiday I've ever.

Chesney: just me. You and Nancy Dell'Olio

Ginny: oh, well, someone had to hold the camera.

Neil: We've not talked about that. Have we? I

Chesney: Oh, you

Neil: Yeah, I watched it.

Chesney: You were the one

Ginny: oh, no, come on. There was at least three. Come on

Chesney: we, we had, I think we had some good viewing figures there. Didn't we? I mean, to be quite frank with you, I, I was on it, but very briefly. And you J Ginny and sister, sister were on it like for two weeks. Weren't you were there always longer than that three weeks.

Ginny: We were pretty much on it the whole time. It was, it was so funny because, um, I was just like, oh, let's just go, you know, I didn't really care what happened. Just go and have a nice time. And then, um, and then I realized that we were there. We ended up staying there the whole time and I thought, um, I shouldn't really say this, but I thought, wow, the more I stay here, the more my day rate goes down.

So really winning. Um, but I had such a fabulous time and, and I met so many and the people were just so great. And honestly, it was, it was probably one of the best things I've ever worked on. It was hilarious.

Chesney: Yeah. It was really fun. I, I was only there for, for was three days. Really? Ginn wasn't it.

Neil: do we love our Brenda? How,

Ginny: Oh yeah. Oh, our busty B Ugh.

Neil: oh,

Lynn: see, I, cause I'm over here. I didn't see it over here as an over in the US. I didn't see it. So can you explain for our listener who may be American? what celebrity coach

Ginny: Easy, easy peasy. So we all got on a coach and we traveled around Portugal and we get to do, it's usually two activities a day. And then at the end of the day, we have to vote off the pair that we kind of least got on with that day to which then in, we have to do the vote in front of them and explain our reasons

Lynn: that is so cool.

Ginny: drama, there was so much drama.

The

Lynn: I am loving it already. I'm crying that I'm not watching. I'm like, I'm gonna try and find that. Right. So, so you voted them off. Sorry. I interrupted with my overexuberance.

Ginny: Yeah. So you basically vote and then, um, and then you either get a yellow card, which means that you, if you get another, a yellow card that need you get a red, then you have to go or you get an instant card and then you have to go. So luckily, a sister and I, um, only got a yellow card right at the.

Lynn: won? Can I ask her, would that be, are you allowed to see or.

Chesney: yes. Didn't work cuz it's already been and been and gone. So, so the birds won the Birds Of A Feather girls. Uh,

Lynn: Oh, right. Linda and Paul pop. No, Paul

Chesney: and Leslie Joseph.

Lynn: all right. Or was that tactical voting that they won? Ginny, you can tell

Ginny: Uh, I don't think so really. I mean, really, they were just the kind of the most game, the most fun, the

Chesney: you say the most gay or

Ginny: Oh

Lynn: I don't know about

Chesney: I don't think that's true.

Ginny: no, that was Paul D. That was definitely Paul D Anne.

Chesney: was definitely pulled end. Yeah.

Neil: How does

Chesney: All right. I'm stripping off now. Gin. I'm stripping off. There

Ginny: Wow. Yes. Wow. I saw this gay chat. Yes. Um, so no, they, they were brilliant and I mean, they were such, such good fun every single day, so they never complained. They never, you know, they took their tumbles and they just got up and kept going, which is

Chesney: Oh, so they, they were, they did every, um, every single thing didn't they, because there was every day, there was like activities that they put on for everyone. And, and I, one of the, the, uh, activities was a, a water slide park and Linda Robson actually fell out of this hu. There was this massive, like, huge thing where we dropped into and it was in a boat and Linda fell out.

Ginny: oh, it was so funny. Honestly, I could not stop laughing. She could have, she could have dislocated her arm when I was still laughing, you know, I didn't know until the end that she was alright, but she was absolutely fine.

Chesney: she was laughing, you know, but Brendan at the end was that I can't believe I nearly killed a national treasurer on an out live TV when I was like,

Lynn: so glad it's you, Ginny, because you bring life to this. You've got me and chase and knew who are literally exhausted and Neil who's drunk on vanilla vodka.

Chesney: So I hope you, I hope you can carry this podcast cuz

Neil: Yeah, no pressure.

Ginny: Oh, yeah, I could do it, baby. Always a professional. What's the play. What's the part. I'll do it.

Neil: the reason of course, that, that I'm like, this is it's, it's put all paying homage to your quote, Ginny, of course, which was, hang on, hang

Chesney: hang look. Yeah. Oh God. He's off it again. Look at

Neil: yourself, a drink,

Chesney: be careful. Let her Neil I'm worried about you. Another quote,

Neil: on some lipstick on, on. There

Lynn: Oh my

Neil: go

Chesney: how's that

Neil: pull yourself together. You see just there we go. You

Ginny: yourself together

Lynn: There you

Neil: So we've set you up.

Ginny: should I, should I read

Neil: You read the quote yeah. Over to you, Ginny.

Ginny: Um, so it's pour yourself a drink, put on some lipstick and pull yourself together.

Lynn: Oh, see, I love that. I love that. Yeah, it's

Ginny: Chesney and I were talking about, um, quotes and it was Chesney that, that said, how about this quote? And I said, yes, of course, cuz my memory is dreadful. And um, when I hear a good quote, I go, was it me? Well, did I do

Chesney: the.

Ginny: So if it wasn't me and I think, oh well, but this one, I think it, and I've definitely heard it before and has stuck with me.

Um, it's the idea of, you know, it's kind of that the show must go on. Everything must carry on. You've got to just pull yourself together. Um, put some, put some lipstick on, have a drink or whatever it takes, you know, it doesn't actually literally have to be lipstick and, and booze, whatever it

Chesney: Now you tell Neil

Neil: yeah. Yeah. Come on.

Ginny: it's too late, darling.

It's too late.

Neil: I do things properly. Okay. There's no room for ambiguity when you gimme instructions like that. So that's what I've done.

Ginny: While it works on a practical level, it works on all levels. That's why it's such, it's the best quote

Chesney: I love it. And yes, I guess you're right. It doesn't necessarily have to mean booze and lipstick and makeup. It's just kind of pulling yourself together. And Lynn and I were talking about the quote, um, before you came on air and she was, she was kind of liken it, likening it to some of my life, like, you know, having to deal with, um, you know, certain people and, um, and you just kind of like brush it off and, uh, you know, get on with it.

Don't you and I, I think that's, uh, I think it's, you know, a lot of people could probably relate to it

Ginny: absolutely. I think it's interesting that you say that because, you know, I, I've kind of just been in this, this very bizarre show business world for just a couple of years now. And after coming out of this through reality TV, I realized that the, that this sort of showbiz industry is so full of absolute devils and absolute.

That are just out to kind of look after themselves and to make as much money off your back as possible. It is filled with creative, wonderful, gorgeous people as well. But however, this industry's riddled with all of these people who are there to kind of pull you down and, and it's kind of one of these, it's one of these things, Ches.

I dunno whether you have it, but it's, um, I find it fascinating that when you have this kind of hardship happen to you, you can't say anything about it. Cause if you go onto Twitter to slag somebody off or, or even you, if you're under

Chesney: Then you seem like a moaner

Ginny: exactly. I mean then if I say anything bad, I'm just a bitter lemon.

So I mean, I've set myself up for that anyway. So it's, it's impossible really. And that's kind of the idea when you have these people and also, you know, it's, it's all well to go online and rant and rave or go to your friends and use whatever public platform you have. But is that helping you, is that, is that kind of cherishing yourself in any way?

Chesney: have you ever got yourself in trouble that way in saying something on social media? can imagine. You probably have

Ginny: All the time. You know, I, uh, like you said, I was part of, um, Drag Race. So I was on Drag Race, uh, UK Ru Paul's Drag Race, UK season two, there's full titles ingrained in my head. Um, and obviously it was a kind of, it's a reality TV show and you go on and you compete at these. And I, and I always have always been very open and honest about working and how and where I've come from.

You know, I've very much come from a council house and I've worked my way up. You know, it's very much worked in whatever job I could and then going on to do something that I love. So I always like to talk about my experiences and hopefully that'll help other people, you know, so after I'd been on Drag Race, I had to some things to say that weren't entirely positive.

And I think that the production team, or, or whatever, took this as if me saying that I was, you know, going online and, and absolutely ripping down and slag off, which I wasn't, I was just talking about my experience. However, they, I always find that when you're a part of something like that, they only really wanna hear your positive experiences.

And , if not, you've got the big bosses looking at your contract being like this, but I haven't said anything, you know, particularly controversial or particularly bad. But what I have done is kind of spoke my truth and spoke honestly about my experiences. So it can come back to, to bite you in the bum and that's when you've gotta be like, oh, well, okay.

Maybe I , maybe I won't be on Drag Race again, but you know, I could pull myself a drink, pop my lipstick on, of pull myself together, you

Chesney: At least yourself, you, you can, you know, you can stand up and say I was honest and, um, and I spoke. Truthfully, uh, and you know, there's, you have your integrity there, you know, so I mean, that's,

Neil: you do have so much integrity, Ginny, cuz that's the whole thing. Cuz you walked off Drag Race. Didn't you?

Ginny: Yes, I did. Uh, the, the only, ever one to walk

Chesney: really, you're the one and only are you,

Neil: Hey,

Ginny: I guess that's me the one and only, yes, the, I guess I am the one and only one to walk off. Um, yeah, so I, yeah, I basically, uh, towards the end of the competition for those who haven't seen it, it's basically, um, finding their best drag queen in the UK or what Ru Pauls thinks is best. Um, so

Neil: Thanks for the

Chesney: their lie of the problem.

Ginny: Yeah.

Neil: brilliant.

Ginny: And at the end of each episode, the bottom contestants basically have to, uh, um, lip sync for your life. So they have to compete. And in this particular episode, I always go with my kind of gut and my spirituality and what, and what my, and what all of that is, is saying to me. And in that particular moment, it, I was lip sync against a friend to actually one of my favorite songs, a song that is very dear and close to my heart, which they didn't know about.

Obviously it's a very personal thing. So I suddenly had this thing and with all the other things going on, you know, stuff that the contract permits me from talking about all of this other stuff, I thought, you know what? I think I'm just gonna go home. I think I was like, lock a lockdown was happening. You know, all of this was going on in the air.

The is when I left the, the production shut down. So I'm not saying that I cursed the production of Drag Race and coronavirus happened, but, you know, I think because of my exactly, my spirituality told me to leave at the right time. And, and for me, I just had to do it. So by walking off was kind of goes against all the rules that Drag Race has ever set in place.

And, and I broke them

Chesney: So it caused a furor I, I presume it probably must have

Ginny: Oh yeah, absolutely. Within the drag community. Oh,

Chesney: had to explain yourself ever since.

Ginny: Oh, oh. Ever since, you know, because then you kind of, you get a barrage of, there's a huge press, press machine churning out, and then that's it. And they have kind of one version of the story and what it is that they wanna see you as. So the rest of the time, the past kind of year or so probably, um, until Coach Trip, when I was able to be a bit more myself and just to kind of have fun and have a laugh, which is what I wanted to do the whole time and be shown in that life, um, As opposed to edited in a way that wasn't correct and didn't happen.

So , it was it wasn't until then, but I was really fighting and to kind of get my side of the story out there. Now I'm at a point where I, I really don't give a shit. I think, well, if you, I interest you or not, then that's brilliant. Um, and if not, then have a good day and carry on. Find another icon for yourself to worship, you know, another day at tea

Lynn: know, coming from, uh, where you came from and being as flamboyant as you are, and also like, um, well, just you're quite an individual. I suspect that you've spent a lot of your life having to defend your actions or at least holding your ground, like putting your lipstick on, taking a shot and moving forward, right?

Ginny: Oh, I mean, absolutely. I don't, I don't wanna be one of these sort of like, yes. It's been a battle. Yes. It's been a tough and yes, it's been a fight. It has been, but now I wear that as, um, a badge of honor, you know, it's a badge that I kind of wear and is part of my armory and my, again, my spirituality, which I can go out there and live the life that I live today to keep fighting and to keep kind of raising awareness about different things.

I suppose what's changed is that I've become this kind of angry, selfish individual who was just kind of angry at the world, but didn't understand now I'm starting to understand a bit more. And also I've connected through, you know, doing the work that I do. I've been able to connect through thousands and thousands of people.

So I'm able to use my voice in a, in a better way, so I can still be angry and still fight, but I can step back and. What do I really need to fight for? What's my battle, you know, cuz before it was kind of, you know, growing up in a, in a, in a council house, in a very working class area, um, everything was really rough.

I came from a family that kind of had a bit of a name and a reputation from themselves in that, in that area. So I kind of, you know, I wasn't a kid to be messed with, but I was also the, because I was the flamboyant queer one I was seen as, as the weak link. Um, I think over years I've been able to see that that queerness is actually probably the strongest link that I've got.

Lynn: identity, you know, within the podcast, Neil does the drinking in this one, the drinking and the lipstick wearing right. Chas knee is adorable and he does music. Right. And my part of it is story. I'll give you a little exercise where I'll ask you to tell me a story, and while you're doing it, I'll write down notes and then I tell you what I hear in your

Ginny: Just, is it a made up story

Lynn: No, it's a real story. It's a real story. And it'll be very easy. I want you to tell me the story of your name,

Ginny: My name,

Lynn: The thing with story and the way that I work is that, and it's why I was like, let's do it now. Cuz otherwise I'll know too much is the way that I work with story is from the principle that nobody ever has or ever will see the world.

Exactly. As you do, therefore you're your own pot of gold, right? That's the whole thing. So understanding that you don't have to make up a story to be fascinating that you're fascinating just by breathing and speaking. Right ready? So two minutes I'll set my timer,

Ginny: Oh, two minutes.

Lynn: Two minutes.

Chesney: Yeah.

Lynn: Ready and story of your name.

Thank you. Cool.

Ginny: Okay. So the story of my name really comes from when I was a lot younger. I used to perform under another name and I got quite a reputation for drinking gin, um, so much so that I actually got the nickname from local bars, Ginny, um, from drinking at, you know, a large gin and tonic with a slice. Um, and it had to be a slice of lemon.

So Ginny Lemon kind of gradually came together. This Ginny nickname had been there through my younger drinking days. And then when I was thinking about this other character to create, um, Lemon just kind of popped into my head and made sense. Uh, and I also had, for years, I was like, shall I have a catchphrase?

Uh, should I commit myself to a catchphrase? And of course, Ginny Lemon, fancy a sliiice just fits together. And, um, When I first ever told my kind of loved ones and close ones, I said, listen, I've got this catchphrase, what do you think? And I said, fancy your slice. And they said, uh, it'll never catch. So, um, I, I basically did it to prove them wrong.

Um, so the name and the catchphrase kind of all come together and the creation of this character, which was a, a drug taking alcoholic, failed character actress kind of all came together. Um, some of it inspired of course by my real life. but the separation of character and real life, you know, has definitely, uh, shown itself in the past couple of years.

So I believe that's the story of my name. I mean, I don't whether know that even fills up two minutes, it's

Lynn: You've got 20 seconds. Keep going.

Ginny: seconds later. Oh, which I just do this bbrbrbrbrbrbrbrb!

Chesney: No one's

Ginny: other name is Virginia Lime. How about that? is that

Lynn: No,

Chesney: got

Ginny: still got to all this. Oh, this is exams. Oh, yay. It's done. Oh, the test is over

Neil: well

Lynn: Yeah, that was

Neil: Well done.

Chesney: no one's ever done that before. That that

Neil: Yeah.

Lynn: That sounded like Neil. Do you know what I mean? People, our listener will be listening into that and going God, Neil really has been drinking now,

Ginny: yeah, really guzzling it down. Other another bottle gone, Neil.

Chesney: Yeah.

Lynn: your name right in a narrative is, um, how you see yourself and you've re redrawn yourself that the person you are now, like one, the fact that you really didn't want to go any further in your name than, than like I'm then, then like, and the name's Ginny Lemon, this is a story is, uh, is a way of going and stay out.

There's a life of mine. That's not your business. And I don't really want to talk about it. And if you want to know who I am, this is who I am now. You've made a, a very distinct and definite decision to be a different person. I mean, I don't think you'd have to be like, you know, Einstein to know that. Right. But I, I suspect that you've been, uh, looking for the person that you were meant to be for quite some time. You know, it's like that thing in my head, what I have inside your head is like, you've been tuning the radio, like to try and find what the station is. And you're like, no, not that station. No, that's not.

No, that's not the right. Oh, that's the station I'm staying on this station now be on this station right now. Um, the, the thing of not wanting to talk about anything else is I am what I look like, not what I've been. Does that make sense? Right?

Ginny: yeah. I think that makes that's a sense to me. I think there was a bit of, um, um, kind of therapy mixed with a Tarot card reading in there with that, with a

Lynn: Yeah. Do you know what it is though? That's the thing that's weird about it though, is the stuff with narrative or like with story is it's all about structure, right? And, and it's not like Woo woo. And it literally is like listening into. How someone speaks and, um, you are flamboyant and magnificent and bright and funny.

Yet, when I'm asking you to talk about yourself, you're like zip . So like, you don't need to be Einstein to go. Oh, I see. You don't really want to talk about yourself. You, you want to me this lovely buffet that you've got.

Ginny: it's a good buffet.

Chesney: it all you can 

Ginny: eat.

It's oh, you can eat baby. If you can, if you can

Neil: it's a smorgasbord. Love.

Ginny: smorgasbord I like that. I think, um, it's interesting. You said about the, the, the changing the channel. I think I like to, I think of myself somewhere, um, not so much the person who's changing the button, but some kind of the static in between of the radio channel and that, um, obviously there is a very personal side to me that's very protected and very kind of precious to myself.

Um, And that's the kind of form of self love and keeping that part that's just for me. Um, and then the other part of that is, is, is being able to explore identity and what that means to me. So I'm able to kind of delve into different characters. And I always say that Ginny is well is like a spiritual, uh, possession.

It's not so necessarily a character. It's like, um, a, a being that takes over me. So that's quite different from the work that I've done before. Cuz Ginny is very close, connected to me. I suppose you are very right in the sense of Ginny being, um, a public persona, cuz J this is how I kind of, you know, this is the.

How I channel kind of some of my personal and professional things. I channel a lot of that into Ginny. So that's why I like to think of myself just on that analogy is that instead of the person turning the knob more kind of the static atmosphere that's going on in between, cuz it can kind of come in and out, I suppose that I've got a direct channel to Ginny now where it used to be a bit crunchy

Lynn: No. I

Chesney: you feel like she's changed

Ginny: oh definitely. Definitely. I think, um, originally, I mean it's a very sad story and it, people always ask me, you know, why did you start doing drag? And in 2016, my sister passed away. Um, and it was a shock and completely out of the blue and I needed a way to kind of escape real life. So I created the character in order to escape and spiritualize surrounded myself in yellow, which is the color of healing and protection.

Um,

Chesney: So it was a way of dealing with your grief in a

Ginny: yeah, it was a way of dealing. It was more of an art therapy for myself. So which kind of. Got out of control and I did things on television and on stage and then it kind of and then it kind, I was like, oh, oh, okay, okay. So now, now I'm this person. Okay. I'm fine. Fine. So, um, when I was kind of dealing through all of that sort of stuff, I didn't realize that I was kind of creating a, a character and a job for myself somewhere in the world, you know?

And then when I did, I was like, brilliant. So how can I put all that emotional baggage aside and create this character and have a fun time, you know? And I think the way I've done that is just working with the character and ever changing and kind of, um, changing, progressing, but also sticking to the kind of core, uh, ethics of, of Ginny.

So when that character takes hold and the spiritual possession takes hold, I know kind of where she's gonna go and what, and what she's gonna do. Um, so yeah, I mean, it definitely does go a lot deeper than

Lynn: I, I love that you say you're that you're thes static in between because I'm like, God, but your sound is so incredibly strong, like that your identity is really clear.

Neil: Yeah. and not been found out

Chesney: Yeah.

Lynn: Think between Ginny lemon and the quote, which is put on your lipstick and take a stiff drink and just get on with it is like really what Ginny represents. Right. Cause the thing that's in your sound is that you've had, um, and I mean, that's awful about your sister. I'm so sorry to hear,

Ginny: Hey, but listen, listen, what is it now? It's it's it's 2022. So it's been six years, you know, I goes, yes, it may be sad that it's been six years since my sisters died, but it's also been six years since I got away with murder. So, you know, it's not all bad.

Chesney: oh, Ginny.

Neil: yet.

Lynn: yeah. I think that the result that, that the Ginny Lemon the character has allowed you to order like place in, in, uh, a structure, all the other things that have happened. Right? One of the things that I think is really lovable about you, um, or admirable, maybe they're both together is that the choice that you make is the sound of you, which is that, that you've made the decision where you go, this has been really bad.

Um, but I'm going to go this direction, you know, and I wonder, actually, this is early morning. Maybe I'm being a bit Mystic Meg, but I, I think that there was a lot of real hardship when you were younger and actually your sister dying. It wasn't, nobody's ever prepared for your, for their sibling dying. But I think in your life, you'd seen a lot of really, really, really painful things.

And so you knew what direction to go in. Does that make sense?

Ginny: Oh, yeah. And absolutely I'm very open about, you know, I didn't have the, the best, best childhood. Um, but I definitely had a childhood in a sense of that. It was never taken away from me. Um, I suppose I, yeah, part of the character is being able to, uh, Going back slightly to what you said is that Ginny did help me, you know, and Ginny was my sort of, uh, therapy, my coping mechanism.

It wasn't till I went through the churn through the industry of show business that I was like, oh, this means something different now. And that's why I was able to kind of take on my own traumas and go, well, how can I help other people, you know, how can I help them? And simply I can help them by just talking about my story.

So talking about my childhood drama and talking about all this sort of stuff, but being like, Hey, you know what, it's all right. I mean, it's shit, but it's all right, because you can kind of pull yourself together, have a drink and, you know,

Lynn: two on your lipstick.

Ginny: and get on with it. So

Chesney: you ever, I mean, obviously you have time in your own and, and it's your personal space and every, and your, you know, your family time or whatever it is, but do you ever take her off and just be what you, uh, were before, what you are,

Ginny: Oh, oh yeah. As soon as it's done, it's done. I mean, I take her off sometimes even when I've got her on.

Neil: you

Ginny: Oh, oh honestly. It's, it's it's even for me, it's, it's always too much. I think I, the thing about creating a character and that's the other thing is that I, when I say the character and talk about the character, when I'm performing on stage, or if I'm doing telly you if I'm doing something that kind of is the character, I can talk to you now as a kind of different Ginny.

This is kind of a more relatable Ginny, you know? And, uh, , it, it sounds bizarre. I know, but to me, and then I, and then I go on, I go on stage. I haven't, I suppose I struggle with people before I just. In makeup and playing the character. It wasn't until I went on these sort of TV shows that people saw me out of drag and saw the other side of me.

So again, in the other way of kind of Ginny Lemon changing is that Ginny Lemon, isn't just the, you know, blue eyebrows and head to toe and yellow and a big yellow wig anymore. Ginnylemon is also this person who's talking to you like this in just a relaxed, you know, just a touch of zest and my natural hair and a, and a, and a bit of a mustache, you know?

Lynn: I think that there's something, um, you're so you're fascinating to listen to, I think, because I think that what you identified quite early on was that everybody in life was just playing a role. That everybody's like one person pretending to be something else. Right. And that actually that's allowed you to do both.

You know, it's funny when it comes back to this thing about fame, cuz fame probably really suits you actually, because you recognize that everybody was playing some role or other, like I'm the responsible one, not responsible at all. I'm the like angry one, not angry at all. I'm the, like you could see that everybody was just pretending in a way or like not pretending, but putting on something

Ginny: I suppose for me, I've kind of always stuck out like a sore thumb. I've always been the yellow sheep of the family. It's kind of like, for me. I, I say this now it's, it's, it's quite funny because people have always shouted at me on the street. Always, ever since I can remember, people have always had something to say or some to come up to me and say something.

Now it's mainly positive and it's nice things. So I'm kind of used to that interaction of people on the street coming up to me because before, you know, growing up in the nineties and the noughties I used to get, you know, abuse of being gay, abuse being queer, abusive being whatever label people wanted to label with me at the time.

And, um, so yeah, now, you know, I had this incident in, in Malvern the other day of all places, I was in Malvern doing me bits, having to look ran the shops and, um, some, some old Geeza came up to me typically, you know, app, I'm gonna stereotype here, a boiled Gamon, um, came up to me. And I thought, well, here we go.

Here we go. Here's some sort of hate crime about to happen. Here we go. Put it in me book, I'll get me ledger. And they come up to me and they said, Hey, I watched you on Drag Race with me, family, and you were my favorite. And I just really wanted to say hello. And it stopped me in my tracks. And I thought, I thought all these years, people have been judging me.

I've kind of done the same thing as I've started judging other people that what they're gonna say to me. And in fact, I shouldn't, I should take a sip of my own medicine and go, well, actually don't judge people by how they look or, you know, judge people by the interactions that you have with them and, and how they speak to you and how they actually are instead of how they look or you perceive them to be, oh,

Lynn: Yeah.

Neil: Yeah.

Lynn: And talking about covers

Neil: Yes. Oh yeah. What a segue, what

Lynn: there you go. Like 

Neil: uh, 

Lynn: It's like eight o'clock in the morning, man. I have done my work for the

Neil: that is far more than an 8 am segue. That gold. That was audio gold

Lynn: We said that Chesney does some music. So, uh, I believe that Chesney may have a gift for you, Ginny handing it

Ginny: I love presses. Yay. Woo.

Chesney: I thought you might. Well, every week, our, our lovely guests chooses a song that they have some kind of emotional connection to happy or sad. And then I recreate that song, uh, in my studio as a gift for our guest.

Ginny: Yay. I knew I lived for presses,

Neil: Right.

Chesney: So tell us which song, uh, you chose and, uh, and we'll play it.

Ginny: so I believe when we spoke, it was cloud busting by Kate Bush. Is that correct?

Chesney: That's correct? Yes.

Ginny: I mean that song, I. That's another tricky thing is that it's actually one of my favorite quotes. Um, and I always use, when people ask me, what is your favorite quote? Um, I always go, I just know that something good is gonna happen, um, because that's kind of the, one of the licks in the song.

And, uh, this particular song has always been a kind of mantra for me. Um, and I've, I've always adored Kate from such a young age. And when I suppose one of the most special memories I have is that when we went to see, uh, Kate in London, when she did her, oh, I can't remember. Was it 2014 shows? I think it was, or 2012.

I can't remember. Um, the, before the Dawn shows, I went to see them with my husband. We were very lucky to get tickets and it was right at the end. Um, and she performed, uh, Cloud Busting for the encore. And so I got down on one knee and proposed to my husband.

Chesney: Oh, 

Ginny: um, why this song is, is, is so special to me.

And, um, I was going to do it during another song, his favorite song, but then I didn't wanna ruin it. So we had to wait till Cloud Busting.

Chesney: wait for your favorite song.

Lynn: oh yeah.

Ginny: yeah, exactly. Could ruin mine. That's.

Chesney: yeah.

Lynn: exactly.

Neil: Oh, well, especially for you, then Ginny Lemon here is Chesney Hawkes, performing Cloud Busting.

Lynn: Woo.

Neil: Just for you. Ginny Lemon, Chesney, Hawkes, performing Cloud Busting. Well done

Ginny: Oh, my God that was amazing.

Lynn: That was wonderful Ches.

Neil: Yeah. Well done, mate.

Ginny: that was so beautiful. I feel I gave me goosebumps, which that song always does. And that was beautiful.

Chesney: Ah,

Ginny: I can't believe it.

Chesney: well,

Neil: can't have been easy 

Ches, can't have 

Chesney: well, I thought about all sorts of different ways of doing it. Cause obviously it's very well known for its string part, you know, and I did have a little play with that, but then I just started playing with the guitar. I was like, oh my God, this feels so good like this, you know? And, and, uh, it, it helped because I'm a massive Kate Bush fan.

So I mean, I'm, I'm right there with you on that. And especially that album, the Hounds Of Love album was just like, oh, it was everything for me. And I was in love with Kate Bush in 1986, or whenever that record came out and, you know, Running Up That Hill and, and, um, Cloud Busting was just like just a, it's just a, a beautiful piece of work, you know?

It's amazing. So, so it was my absolute pleasure to do that for you,

Ginny: Oh, I absolutely loved it. So, so I feel so special. I can't believe that this is my life. You know, I get to all the things that I've, I've said during this thing, but then I get to do stuff like this with you, and then you sang an amazing cover for me. And I just, I feel so special. So thank you so much. I feel emotional.

I can't cry of ad laser eye surgery. Ah,

Chesney: yeah. And I'll make sure I, I send you a copy of that for, you know, so

Ginny: oh, please do. So now, now, when are we gonna do that as a duet? So you're on

Chesney: yeah, that's true. Cuz like you're a musician too. Ginny. Nice.

Ginny: going to be releasing an album very shortly. Um, But I, I will send you it as I will send you and you could have a little listen and you could share with Lynn and Neil as well, but I mean, have a little, listen, see what you think, cuz um, I'm, I'm quite proud of this one.

So yeah, singing songwriting was kind of what I actually did. And then Ginnyis what I ended up doing. So it's, it'll be nice to combine the two. So, uh, yes. So that just means we have to do a duets. I

Chesney: of course we do. Of course we do. Uh, and we'll make that happen for sure. But, um, but are you, is this album under Ginny Lemon or is it under the, your other, uh, sued pseudonym?

Ginny: under Ginny Lemon. I'm using the, I'm using the platform as much as I can milking it as much as I can. Um, and it's called Tonic. So it's called Ginny Lemon Tonic, which

Lynn: Ah,

Ginny: fits quite nice. And uh, it really is kind of, I wrote it in lockdown after Drag Race. Um, so it's kind of, it's been that kind of, it's been my tonic.

That's the only way I can describe it. You know, it's really been my kind of, I tried to channel as much energy and. All of those things that we've been talking about into art and into creating and into songwriting. That's my, that's the thing I love to do. That's that's the thing that I'm kind of private about.

You know, I like to go away in my little room and write my little ditties and then see what happens. Um,

Chesney: wait to hear 'em I really can't wait to hear

Ginny: oh, well, I'll send them to you. I've got, I've got everything ready. I can't believe it. I I'll text yah. so excited. I'll have to message yer, I feel like a proper person. I've got a proper album coming out and everything can't believe it.

Chesney: I

Lynn: can I ask you? Right. Like I'm not gonna delve anymore, but like say the, our listener right. Or one listener say that our listener is, um, maybe a, a teenager. And, uh, living where you were in the situation that you were in, when you were a teenager, what words of advice would you give?

Ginny: oh, this is a tough one. Um, and I was asked a very similar question recently and the only thing I could say was fight, um, And I, I said fight, but I think that was too aggressive. So I added, uh, fierce fierceness and fabulousness. So fight fierce and fabulousness of my three things, cuz it kind of softens the fight element.

So it's all about kind of that thing that you want for fight for it, you know, and do it with style, do it doing absolute looking the best you can absolutely do it, you know, getting those stares, really embracing it. And you know, obviously everything will work out or it won't work out. Things are, things are tough.

Uh, and it's not about the destinations. It's about the journey. So if you do that journey, you know, fighting fabulousness and fierceness, then hopefully it'll make that journey to the destination. Um, a bit more bearable.

Lynn: I love that. Yeah.

Neil: well look, um, I think it's time to wrap things up, Ginny, that has just been fabulous. I've I've really enjoyed that. And you are fabulous company. You're such

Ginny: you would've enjoyed anything. Neil, you drunk. You dunno what you're saying?

Neil: Ginny Lemon. Thank you so much. You've

Chesney: you, Ginny. Thank you. We

Ginny: you. Bye BS. Love you.

Neil: have been so

Chesney: chatty. Bye.

Ginny: chatty.

Neil: There we go, team, the fabulous Ginny Lemon, right?

Chesney: She was

Neil: How enjoyable was that?

Chesney: Yeah, it was just the tonic we needed.

Lynn: it was just a, to considering word, dear listener. It's so early in the morning here in the US Chesney is, well he's now disrobed

Chesney: I

Lynn: Neil is drunk. Right. We needed someone to hold that, um,

Neil: we needed the right tonic, right? We needed

Chesney: hold, hold us together. Yeah,

Lynn: she's really fascinating. I think, you

Chesney: very fascinating.

Lynn: think as well, I'd be really interesting to see how she develops or they develop, I

Chesney: They

Lynn: cuz I feel like they're, um, only shown a little bit of themselves.

Neil: Oh,

Chesney: Mm

Lynn: more to show much, much more to

Chesney: Oh, I think that'll come Lynn. I, I really do think it will. Um, I thought exactly the same thing, doing the story, uh, of a, of the name and, uh, yeah, I, I was hoping that maybe go back to her original name and everything, but, uh, it is interesting what was left out. Great.

Lynn: but I do honestly feel like for, um, Ginny's point of view, that name didn't represent her. So really didn't

Chesney: Yeah. Yeah. It's

Lynn: saying like it's like saying I used to own this pair of shoes. It'd be like, what do you need

Chesney: Why would you even mention that? Yeah, exactly.

Lynn: like the thing of, uh, finding out what your name is because you drink gin

Chesney: I know

Lynn: oh, it's Ginny and oh yes.

Neil: and you will fancy a slice. Yeah.

Chesney: slice. Yeah.

Lynn: Fancy a slice. 

Chesney: I love it. I love 

Neil: was a lovely, um, quote that I read. We didn't, we didn't get time to bring it up. Actually. I thought it was lovely. Uh, I've never felt comfortable in my body. I've suppressed it for years. I do drag as a release. I found more success as a woman than I ever did as a man.

And I realized I was neither of these things,

Chesney: Oh, that's amazing.

Neil: because Ginny obviously, you know, identifies as, as non-binary. Um, yeah, I thought that was lovely actually shame. We

Lynn: Of the things as well, that I'll love about them is it's also similar. Uh, the, the way that I feel about Jeena Bloom, cuz you remember Jeena Bloom from, um, the last season two, right? My, my friend who's, um, transgender, um, and that transgender is the least interesting thing about her that I feel like with Ginny there's so that when we talk about what identity someone is in terms of sex, like what gender they are, it's like limiting.

Do you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't really matter what,

Neil: Yeah. Irrelevant.

Lynn: Ginny is. It, it really doesn't matter because the person that they are is fascinating, you

Chesney: mm-hmm yeah. And talented and funny. And as he said, all of those things,

Neil: I also love there is a lot of integrity

Chesney: Hugely. Well, you could tell the integrity just from talk, talking with, you know, it's, uh, there's a lot to, a lot to digest there. Isn't there

Neil: absolutely.

Lynn: talking of digesting how much of you digested with vanilla vodka or whatever it

Neil: I only about I've only had about, um, four,

Chesney: but have another one then, eh,

Lynn: my God. You know, it feels the weirdest thing about it. I don't know where you are with this, Chesney, but it feels even weirder because it's so early in the morning here. I'm like,

Chesney: exactly. It's pretty early for him. It's like, it's four o'clock in the afternoon. I mean, I guess that

Neil: I just wanna take myself back to Sunday night in the transvestite night club with Greta Grip and Sally Switchboard, cuz I had so much fun and I did decide that if I was ever gonna go down that route, I've got my name. So I've got the starters for it.

Chesney: oh, what is it?

Neil: I'd be Sue The Council so I've got my name and I've got my lipstick. Okay. So there's a start,

Chesney: great. There's so much in that name.

Lynn: Sue the council. 

Chesney: feel like you need therapy already. yeah.

Lynn: Oh my God. Anybody loves, I think we might have come to that time. Do you

Neil: think we've peaked. Haven't we?

Chesney: one more round of applause for the fabulous Ginny. Come

Neil: Yeah. Awesome Ginny Lemon. So will see you all next time and until

Lynn: I have been Ferguson

Neil: I've been Harrington.

Chesney: And I've been 

Lynn: Woohoo 

Chesney: Hawkes.

Neil: Thank you everybody take care. Bye bye. You've been listening to Ferguson Harrington Hawkes with Lynn Ferguson, Neil Harrington and Chesney Hawkes written and produced for Sauce Productions by surprise surprise Lynn Ferguson, Neil Harrington, and Chesney Hawkes.